I was just curious if anyone has either heard of these, knows anything about
them, or has even experienced them.  I myself haven't, but I did used to know
someone who was able to do this, at least it was what she called Lucid
Dreaming.......   but first i am curious about all of your replys on the
subject.     Thanks

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Why don't you leave people to discuss what they want to discuss, jp2?
Your stupid remarks might just turn off some new users and members.

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Yes, Jamie (and now mynx), while I enjoy the clowning around, could you at
least let the serious items be?
 
Lucid dreaming is the ability to know that you're dreaming while you're
dreaming, and to affect those dreams. One reason that some psychologists try
to teach lucid dreaming is that it allows you to communicate, in their view,
with your subconscious. If you've been plagued by dreams of some beast
attacking you, for instance, you can interact with the beast, find out what
it represents to you, and so on. People who lucid dream naturally (and there
are quite a few people who do) usually just have fun with it.
 
I've had some lucid dreams, but not many.

that is correct brighn, lucid dreaming is being 'awake' in your dream.  anyone
out there ever use it for fun?

You people forget...jp2 is one of the last "new" M-Netters who stayed. He
hasn't seen a new user or member before, so he doesn't know any better ;)

Out of curiosity, is there a term for dreaming when you aren't aware of it?
Let me rephrase...is there a term for the dreams you have, but don't remember
when you wake up?

I had lucid dreams for quite a few years when I was a kid. I was aware
I was dreaming, yet could fly, and when things got sticky I would
tell my companions that "this is only a dream", in the dream. If I
*had* to make sense of this (since I don't think dreams mean anything
in particular), I would say I came to do this (it is too much to say
I learned to do it) to deal with frightening dream events. It certainly
served to remove the fear from what otherwise would have been nightmares.

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        I think there's a middle ground, where you are
        dreaming but you're not fully asleep, where your
        dream becomes more like a fantasy.

Whenever I have had recurring nightmares, I have eventually overcome 
them by lucid dreaming. Usually, what happens is that I realize I am 
dreaming and just suddenly decide to dream something different. 
Normally though, I am not a lucid dreamer although my dreams are often 
very entertaining. 

that's most;y the only time i lucid dream, too .. when my dream gets out of
control and i tell myself to wake up, or in some cases, i'll jump off a high
place which will also wake me up.

sometimes i fall into a dream but am still aware of things happening in the
room where i am sleeping. this was useful in high school, when teachers would
call on me to answer a question to try and embarass me. they eventually just
let me sleep. but i wouldn't consider that lucid .. just light sleeping.

I don't remember my dreams a lot, since night terrors used to be 
fairly common for me.  But I have remembered quite a few dreams where 
I was very aware of things and did lucidly dream quite naturally in my 
own sense of curiousity or desire.  Flying dreams were indeed part of 
this, although I actually floated and slowly glided; the fun was in 
just moving about all over the place.  I have had other dreams that 
were very vivid in their detail; places I'd never seen before (nor 
anything like) and seemed constructed from my imagination *completely* 
from scratch.  Places that were realistic and probable, but didn't 
remind me of anything.  I generally enjoyed exploring somewhat.

But I have yet to turn nightmares into something more theraputic by 
lucid means.  Yes, I have heard of this technique; I figured it was a 
fairly recognizable fixture of the self-help psychology world.

Funny enough I make use of the same escape route as oval.
In my case I am being hunted by zombies.
Even when I can get hold of rocket launchers or similar terminator 
stuff, the remain relentless. When things are at the brink of getting 
out of hand I tell myself to wake up.
Works like a charm. Mr. Krueger won't affect me in that prospect.

Other versions of dreaming include me being in the mixed up state 
between sleeping and waking. Most often with music playing on the radio 
or so. I have tried to sing along with songs in the dreams and I seem 
to ben incapable of producing any sound. It saddens me deeply in my 
dreams. Later I realize the song was playing on the radio (cause I wake 
up) and I reckon I must've suffered from the wellknown dream state 
paralysis.

heh yea, if the readio is playing, or especially if they are talking, my
dreams will mutate into a bizarre version of what ther are saying.

        I rarely have 'nightmares' but sometimes I get these
        extended frustrating dreams, where there is some
        activity or goal planned and things *just keep on*
        delaying it and delaying it. That's wierd.

Lucid wet dreams would've been nice when I was a teenager, so Darlene 
Gillespie could've stayed Darlene Gillespie through the whole thing 
instead of metamorphosing into Mamie Eisenhower just at the critical 
moment.

I think the funniest almost-lucid dream I had was when I was a kid. I thought
I was dreaming, so I told someone in the dream to pinch me. But it hurt when
he did, so I figured I was really awake. Except I was dreaming.

Dunno about being active, but I've had dreams where I questioned
what was going on.  One strange one not long ago featured a woman
with a Cyclopsean central eye (which I didn't notice for a bit
because) who also had a neck consisting of only the spinal
column wrapped in skin; no trachea, blood vessels, muscles...
I wondered how the hell blood got to her brain and how she could
talk (she talked, but I don't remember what she said).

The brain does some weird things when the machinery of consciousness
is running without its governors on.

My flying dreams are like swimming through air, and it always takes
too much effort to do for long and goes really slowly.  Depressing,
that my flying dreams are inferior to the reality!  The most
interesting moving dream I ever had was a sensation of rolling across
a slowly undulating, smooth surface.  I vaguely remember feeling
lighter going over the peaks.  Only had that kind of dream once, dammit.

well first off i am happy that their is an item on agora about lucid dreaming.
because i have been experiencing lucid dreaming for a long time now. i have
been dreaming and i know i was dreaming and i was able to affect the situation
in some way whatever i was doing. i am happy that i am able to get my feelings
out on this subject.

lucid dreaming is a cool game and you can find alot on the net, but i would
adveice not to follow the "reality test" method, that 99% of the sites
suggest, it just sux, you have to ask you conitinuosly during the day things
like "am i dreaming?" so you can hope in the dream you will ask that to
yourself... it sux, fisrst because you have to do that for a lot of times a
day, then you have to wait a t least 2 weeks to get a result, and you have
to keep on doing tests during the day to continue having results, plus, the
results aren't controllexcd, just random. since i trained in mind control for
a while i find the most easy way to be the one in which you just relax
yourself to the point of sleep keeping the mind awake, then you visualize
asomething like a road, or any 3dscene, and begin moving in it with
imagination, in a matter of seconds you will find yourself in a lucid dream,
try it if you are good with meditation or other mind control tecniques. (ps.
sorry for the mistakes, dunno why but bbs doesn't accept my backspace, while
the prompt does... :-/ )

Wow. I'm glad to see the interest in this item, thank you all for the replys.
I sad in the beginning that i would tell you about a girl who was telling me
about her Lucid Dreaming she could experience after I got some replys, so I'll
keep up my end of the deal. But, it isnt like what you have all described.

I guess you could say that what she did was Lucid Dreaming, but it was
intended, and very strange.  She also did it with someone else.  They had some
of telepathy connections or something when they did it. Kind of like an out
of body experience while dreaming, i guess. They couldn't do it all the time,
but once every few weeks it would work, and they could only get it to work
that often if they tried almost every day, and if they didn't try it at least
that often, then the probability of it happeneing was less.  And it was by
no means what most would call a dream, but more a nightmare.  

She said the trick was that you have to be completely connected with someone
psychologically, meaning feelings, emotions, past hardships causing mental
anxiety, etc. But what made it difficult to do was the fact that you had to
intend to do it, and the reason they couldn't do it all the time was that you
had to both fall asleep at the same moment. What happened next is very
surreal.

They werent pleasant dreams, at leat not in my opinion, but she seemed to
enjoy it.  It is kinda like a freddy krueger type thing.  She would know that
it was a 'connection' by the world they entered, similar to a desert.  The
sky was always changing color, but so slow that sometimes you almost didn't
notice. At first everything was peaceful, she could talk to her friend and
walk about the land, but after a while the colored sky would grow dark, like
night, but light didnt fade, only the sky.  Then she knew the 'hunt' was on.
They had a killer in the dream. I don't remember what his name was, but she
descibed him as an evil albino. Almost mexican, short, pudgy, handlebar
mustache, long white hair, and blood red eyes.  He wore a sombrero, and
carried some type of weapon, and each dream he had a different one, but some
times the albino had no weapon, it depended on what he wanted to do.  HE was
there to kill them, and they had no way to stop him, in the dream they were
completely defenceless except for running in fear.  She told me that no matter
how many times they 'entered', the fear couldn't be gotten used to, so they
ran for thier lives.  He would chase them, laughing and looking for them, they
would find places to hide, but he knew their minds, so finding them was easy,
you really couldn't hide.  Then, he would grab one and tortore them, while
the other watched.  Remember, they were in the same dream together.  After
the torture, the other was taken and killed i.
They were always a different type of murder, and this i can quote from here,
cause when she said it i got scared a little..."He kills us different ways,
strangling, shooting, electricution, stabbing, decapitation, drowning,
burning, suffocation, and my personal favorite, being buried alive".  I told
her that she was nuts.  But she said that Lucid Dreaming, real Lucid Dreaming
is something that isnt for everyone, but even so its still just a dream. I
personally have never experienced anything like it, or want to, but i think
that she had alot of truth to what she was telling me.  She was young, 19 at
the time i think, and her 'connection', her boyfriend was like 24. I seems
like some type of cult to me, but i have never heard of this since.  

The strangest part was that when they awoke, being dead in the dream was what
awoke you, they were able to talk about the dream word for word with each
other cause they dreampt it together.  
WOW...
Everyone here is probaly think im wierd, but i hope not.  I dont want to ever
try this. I just wanted to see if anyone has ever heard of this type of
dreaming.  I am really curious about your replys on this, and please be
serious.  oh yeah, excuse the grammer and typos. thanks.

Re #13: When I was at Michigan Tech I once had a dream like that when I fell
asleep with the radio playing an address by Bill Clinton.  I dreamed I was
in Fisher Hall watching him give it.  It was like a class or something. 
Also, I was a rabbit for some screwed-up reason.  No, I don't understand it
either.

i have a friend who's an animator and spends endless hours animating
characters to repetative cartoon music, and sometimes has cartoon nightmares.
he says the environment is realistic but some animated catoonobject will be
trying to kill him. i often wonder what people with interesting jobs dream
about.

I recently dreamed that a young woman with whom I have been spending some 
time recently told me she had a fever of 103 and I woke up the next 
morning with a cold.

Emblem . . . you should post a new item on this for Summer agora.  
Since it's so close to turnover, we won't discuss this to long before 
it's "gone."

        Shared dreaming is a different thing entirely.  I've had experiences
- though I'm a skeptic by nature - that'd classify as shared dreaming;  once
when I was on the verge of falling asleep, I clearly heard a woman that I know
yelling for me, and it turns out that that night, at roughly the same time,
she was running from a mugger, and did desperately want to reach me.

        I've also had other people dream details from ritual work that I've
done, and at least one has come to me independently and asked me what that
could've possibly meant;  he wasn't directly involved in the ritual work, and
wasn't even a close associate.

I remember learning that children (probably adults, too) that worked in 
the fields during the Great Depression had dreams of donig the same 
thing, and of rows and rows of vegetables.  One child was seen picking 
imaginary corn or beans (I can't remember which) in her sleep.

(That's not even shared dreaming.  That's just dreaming about your job.  Hell,
I've got dreams about being attacked by mountains of dishes, and I've only
been working in the dishroom a week.)

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