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Grex Agora41 Item 255: WHAT"S YOUR -IST?
Entered by polytarp on Wed Jun 12 13:39:23 UTC 2002:

Communist, monarchist, socialist,, capitalist, anarchist, etc.

30 responses total.



#1 of 30 by mynxcat on Wed Jun 12 13:41:51 2002:

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#2 of 30 by ttys0 on Wed Jun 12 13:51:26 2002:

Anarchist.


#3 of 30 by twinkie on Wed Jun 12 14:12:19 2002:

I'm not sexist, I'm sexiEST.
Sexy sex, sexy sex sexist.



#4 of 30 by jaklumen on Wed Jun 12 14:35:38 2002:

Idealist.


#5 of 30 by brighn on Wed Jun 12 14:51:31 2002:

Gorillasinthemist.


#6 of 30 by jp2 on Wed Jun 12 15:51:26 2002:

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#7 of 30 by jp2 on Wed Jun 12 15:51:44 2002:

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#8 of 30 by vmskid on Wed Jun 12 15:54:35 2002:

Fishiest.


#9 of 30 by polytarp on Wed Jun 12 19:39:50 2002:

-ist, not -est.  You proletarian poltroons who are wallowing in Malapropisms.


#10 of 30 by twinkie on Wed Jun 12 19:59:22 2002:

Simma down, now...



#11 of 30 by other on Thu Jun 13 01:27:11 2002:

Solipsist


#12 of 30 by other on Thu Jun 13 01:27:38 2002:

[ or etceterist]


#13 of 30 by ric on Thu Jun 13 02:36:48 2002:

I don't believe in -isms.  Thisism and thatism.. it's all evil.


#14 of 30 by brighn on Thu Jun 13 03:29:29 2002:

I never got fucked and I never got kist,
I got so fucking pist.


#15 of 30 by jaklumen on Thu Jun 13 04:05:16 2002:

hey, don't call my idealism evil.  "Idealist" may be a label, but it 
only defines a part of who I am.


#16 of 30 by twinkie on Thu Jun 13 06:18:17 2002:

It's not that I condone facism....or any "ism" for that matter. 
"Isms" in my opinion are not good.  A person should not believe in an "ism",
they should believe in themself.  I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in
Beatles...I just believe in me."  A good point there.  After all, he was the
walrus.



#17 of 30 by md on Thu Jun 13 12:06:39 2002:

"The walrus was Paul." -- John Lennon.  But maybe he was just saying 
that to be nice, as National Lampoon once suggested.


#18 of 30 by ric on Thu Jun 13 14:26:03 2002:

expanding on #16...

"What's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So who
gives a crap that they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists, still
wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car... It's not that I condone
fascism, or any ism's for that matter. Ism's in my opinion are not good. A
person should not believe in an ism. He should believe in himself. I quote
John Lennon, 'I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me.' A good point
there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have
to bum rides off of people... I ask for a car. I get a computer. How's that
for being born under a bad sign?" - Matthew Broderick, Ferris Bueller's Day
Off.


#19 of 30 by brighn on Thu Jun 13 19:40:23 2002:

#17> Lennon/McCartney wrote, "I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus." Now, it's
been suggested that the reference is to the Carroll poem, "The Walrus and the
Carpenter," since the Carpenter in the pictures has an odd-shaped head. If
the Walrus is Paul, then the Eggman, i.e., the Carpenter is John. But, as
Kevin Smith points out through Loki in the movie Dogma, "The Walrus and the
Carpenter" is a fairly thin metaphor for Eastern and Western mysticism, with
the Walrus representing Lord Ganesh or the Buddha, and the Carpenter
representing Jesus Christ (who was raised to be a carpenter).
 
So "I am the Walrus" is Lennon's confession that his faux pas about the
Beatles being more popular than Jesus was only slightly off his true opinion:
He *is* Jesus.


#20 of 30 by twinkie on Thu Jun 13 20:04:58 2002:

Kevin Smith is a useless meatwhistle. You should kill yourself for referencing
him as an authority on anything other than trite movies.



#21 of 30 by rcurl on Thu Jun 13 20:06:42 2002:

People might want to look at http://vm.uconn.edu/~rpp98001/AH1.html to
reach their own conclusions. I don't believe Carroll had any such
intent, explicitly or implicitly.


#22 of 30 by jaklumen on Thu Jun 13 20:21:44 2002:

*shrug*  true, I've seen people made some odd connections of their own 
in other examples.  The bit about the organized religion thing in the 
Dogma script especially sounded humorous being attributed to Carroll 
(Dodgson), since I doubt he had that intent either.  Just a Kevin 
Smith witticism.


#23 of 30 by jaklumen on Thu Jun 13 20:24:40 2002:

resp:20  A useless meatwhistle?  Hardly!  He's not exactly an 
intellectual or even a noteworthy modern humorist, but he is a pretty 
good comic book writer.  He renewed interest in Marvel's Daredevil, 
and now is generating a little interest in writing for DC's Green 
Arrow.


#24 of 30 by twinkie on Thu Jun 13 21:00:57 2002:

A good comic book writer? Maybe.

He's a piss poor excuse for a director, or filmwriter, though.



#25 of 30 by brighn on Fri Jun 14 02:37:32 2002:

#22> It's obvious from the context that Smith is hardly being serious with
his monologue about Carroll. The scene is a demon, Loki, trying to disillusion
a nun into quitting the church. It's supposed to be a ludicrous connection
that only makes sense to the nun because the demon is so good at fast-talking.
It's what the demon does for fun.
 
#24> You're hardly an authority on humor, considering what you consider funny.
Smith's dick-and-fart jokes are even too intellectual for your level.


#26 of 30 by bhelliom on Fri Jun 14 17:02:07 2002:

Hey, last time I checked, Loki was asleep on my bed.  Will have to make 
sure I didn't leave the front door open when I left for work this 
morning.


#27 of 30 by oval on Fri Jun 14 18:48:36 2002:

antiismist



#28 of 30 by twinkie on Fri Jun 14 21:27:16 2002:

re: 25

Spare me the aspersions of your pseudointellectual wit, I beg of you. 

Smith's dick-and-fart jokes have and always had the potential to be humorous.
Rather than make them humorous, they're carried out by actors who didn't make
the final cut in high school play tryouts. 

Excepting for Mallrats and Dogma, everything he's ever done on film has been
wooden, and syncopated. Since he doesn't have any real punchline to deliver,
he doesn't bother working up to anything. I'd be fine with a jejune "Here's
my movie." story with a semblance of plot, and maybe just a dash of humor,
or acting skill. But even that's too much to ask from Kevin Smith. Apparently,
everything is cliche, unless it has the timbre of cardboard...as that seems
to be what makes for a "good" Kevin Smith movie.

People have often acclaimed him as one of the voices of Generation X. I've
always considered it to be fitting, but not in the way Mr. Smith or his
devotees would like to think. Assuming Gen X'ers are just a bunch of slackers,
he's proven that he's a Gen X director and writer. Not in his portrayal of
Gen X'ers, but in the obvious lack of effort in all aspects of his lame
attempts at cinema. 

In conclusion, pipe down, buttercup. You probably thought The Gods Must Be
Crazy was one of the funniest movies around. You seem the type. And because
of that, I feel sorry for you, and people who have to be near you.



#29 of 30 by drew on Sat Jun 15 04:30:10 2002:

You mean it wasn't???


#30 of 30 by polytarp on Sun Jun 16 16:37:56 2002:

HUMANISTz.

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