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Grex Agora41 Item 239: The 'Dubbya is a Moron' Item
Entered by oval on Wed Jun 5 20:15:09 UTC 2002:

BUSH'S GENERAL EDUCATION

Do you have blacks in Brazil?

It is said, that, before September 11, George W. Bush thought the Taliban were
a Bavarian brass band. Now, thanks to his comprehensive knowledge, the most
powerful man in the world has got into hot water again.


Rice helped Bush from the leave in the lurch

Washington - It was Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor, who helped
her boss out of the embarassing situation. During a conversation between the
two presidents, George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardo so, 71,
(Brazil), Bush bewildered his colleague with the question "Do you have blacks,
too?"

Rice, 47, noicing how astonished the Brazilian was, saved the day by telling
Bush "Mr. President, Brazil probably has more blacks than the USA. So me say
it's the Country with the most blacks outside Africa." Later, the Brazilian
president Cardoso said: regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his
"learning phase".



Equally terrifying: the American media did not report the incident. There
seems to be an unwritten rule that while it's ok to acknowledge Bush's lack
of "intellectual curiosity", any hard evidence of utter stupidity must be
covered up.

The incident was reported outside the U.S.. For example, by the prestigious
German news magazine Der Spiegel. Here's a translation of the article (with
a link to the original German article): http://gwbush.com/copies/trans.shtm
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133 responses total.



#1 of 133 by jmsaul on Wed Jun 5 21:17:01 2002:

He's such a doofus.  Damn.


#2 of 133 by gwbush on Wed Jun 5 23:37:22 2002:

This is unpatriotic!  I demand an explaination, or I'll send the SS after you!


#3 of 133 by jmsaul on Thu Jun 6 02:10:22 2002:

Go fuck yourself.

(Wow, I've been wanting to say that to him.)


#4 of 133 by bru on Thu Jun 6 02:10:43 2002:

Iwasn't there, I did not witness the exchange.  Neither did any of you.  Can
you prove it wasn't just a slip of the tongue?  Didn't think so.


#5 of 133 by jmsaul on Thu Jun 6 02:15:14 2002:

Can you prove it was?  This isn't a matter of mixing up words, which I'm
willing to give him a pass on.


#6 of 133 by other on Thu Jun 6 06:07:40 2002:

Bruce, you can NOT be serious!


#7 of 133 by dbunker on Thu Jun 6 11:19:24 2002:

snopes has that story currently listed as unverified.


#8 of 133 by russ on Thu Jun 6 11:55:57 2002:

Yeah, we all know Bush is hardly a genius.  Quite some time before
the election I noted (as a troll on a "conservative" web forum) that
he'd been appointed as the candidate by the PTB and that said PTB
would do just about anything to keep him from being challenged (so
he'd owe them if/when he got in).  Of course, the "ownership" is
hardly exclusive to George W.; trial lawyers and unions own many
Dems, to give just one example from the left side of the aisle.

George H. W. made a similar mistake in 1992, where he showed that he
had little idea what the populace deals with by being totally ignorant
of grocery-store checkout scanners.  George W.'s gaffe only affects a
few foreigners and some voters who wouldn't have voted for him anyway;
hardly an issue, in political terms.  On broader policy his brain trust
will help him to get it mostly right (by their lights, with which I
have many deep disagreements).

What truly amazes me is that someone so inept at public speaking could
get even *close* to a popular majority.  Must've been the lousy quality
of the competition....


#9 of 133 by johnnie on Thu Jun 6 15:46:02 2002:

>The incident was reported outside the U.S.. For example, by the 
>prestigious German news magazine Der Spiegel.

Der Spiegel is the *only* source for this, and they don't mention their 
source.  


#10 of 133 by void on Thu Jun 6 16:52:27 2002:

re #4: Gee, Bruce, you didn't witness the alleged vandalism for which
the GAO found no evidence at the White House at the end of Clinton's
term.  Can you prove it happened?  Didn't think so.


#11 of 133 by twinkie on Thu Jun 6 18:15:51 2002:

re: 10

In all fairness, the alleged vandalism was widely reported in several media
outlets. In fact, it was somewhat difficult to avoid hearing about it, the
week it supposedly happened.

That's quite a contrast between an event that allegedly happened in South
America, involving an American president, and reported in a German-language
news article, with no attribution. The subtle language differences alone are
rather substantial.



#12 of 133 by vmskid on Thu Jun 6 18:17:00 2002:

At least he didn't claim that he was a Jelly doughnut!


#13 of 133 by twinkie on Thu Jun 6 18:23:12 2002:

Or that he invented them.



#14 of 133 by oval on Thu Jun 6 20:11:19 2002:

this is the dubbya is a moron territude and if you can't say anything insulting
about dubbya, take it elsewhere.



#15 of 133 by vmskid on Thu Jun 6 20:15:01 2002:

OK, anybody here familiar with the "Dubyaman" cartoon from India? 


#16 of 133 by twinkie on Thu Jun 6 20:23:56 2002:

re: 14 

Oh...my bad. I wasn't on my medication.
I had better dash right over to the pharmacy, and use my National Health
Insurance that good ol' Billy Clinton delivered, to get some more...



#17 of 133 by oval on Thu Jun 6 20:32:02 2002:

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/



#18 of 133 by twinkie on Thu Jun 6 20:35:38 2002:

http://www.soreloserman2000.com/



#19 of 133 by vmskid on Thu Jun 6 20:38:56 2002:

Let's face it, why would anyone with any brains want to be president in the
first place? 


#20 of 133 by oval on Thu Jun 6 20:46:39 2002:

twinkie start your own leftie-bashing item! this is the dubbya bashing one,
and don;t make me tell you again!

btw, Ari Fleischer can be ridiculed too.


or both at once:
Denial or double-negative admission:

"The President did not, not receive information about the use of airplanes
as missiles by suicide bombers."

-Ari Fleischer, May 16, 2002



#21 of 133 by vmskid on Thu Jun 6 20:52:36 2002:

Can we take shots at Ashcroft here as well? 


#22 of 133 by rcurl on Thu Jun 6 20:59:47 2002:

Yes! Yes!


#23 of 133 by oval on Thu Jun 6 21:01:06 2002:

YES!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743222229/scottsupakbaldmo/102-5131
394
-5143311

"Teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."



#24 of 133 by klg on Fri Jun 7 00:34:14 2002:

re:  russ  " George H. W. made a similar mistake in 1992, where he showed that
he
 had little idea what the populace deals with by being totally ignorant
 of grocery-store checkout scanners."  Actually, what in fact this
involved was not the simple operation of checkout scanners, but the
fact that the scanner could read a bar code that had been mangled/
mutilated - a fact that I am reasonably sure would surprise many
(if not a majority of) persons.


#25 of 133 by oval on Fri Jun 7 01:08:20 2002:

All I was doing was appealing for an endorsement, not suggesting you endorse
it. -- George Bush, US President



#26 of 133 by oval on Fri Jun 7 01:09:07 2002:

It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another.
-- George Bush, US President



#27 of 133 by oval on Fri Jun 7 01:09:47 2002:

I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions --but I don't always agree with
them. -- George Bush, US President



#28 of 133 by scott on Fri Jun 7 01:24:35 2002:

Re 24:  Well, that's the spin they put on Bush's reaction, but I don't buy
it.  


#29 of 133 by jaklumen on Fri Jun 7 01:52:17 2002:

resp:17 more entertaining than resp:18, honestly..the right-wing 
chants of 'don't mess with the good ol' USA.. now we're going to whoop 
your ass, because God blesses the USA' is old and dumb.

*but* I don't think the lefties are morally or objectively superior, 
either.  I am so sick and tired of hearing 'W's just a dumb, stupid 
kiddie.'

It's more than obvious that George W. is *not* a slick politician-- 
odd, because we seem to complain, too, when we have slick 
politicians.  It is also less about the fact that George W. is 
Republican; it is more about the fact that W. is a Texan.  It is also 
that he is a good politican that stays bought-- but the fact that he 
is bought as an oilman is a problem, and it bothers us.

The nation at large is not willing to use less petroleum, even under 
Democratic presidents.  That is a big problem with terrorism; a lot of 
terrorist nations only have petroleum as their leverage.  Even having 
said that, even major oil companies in OPEC nations are looking to 
energy alternatives.

We can't seem to agree on energy alternatives, either.  On 
transportation alone-- which is a huge part of petroleum consumption-- 
we disagree.  The nation just loves gas-guzzling SUVs and trucks, but 
we don't want to use ethanol or give up storage space to hydrogen 
solutions that can be retrofitted to gasoline systems.

The nation also loves little trendy cars.  Contrary to popular belief, 
you *can* have fuel economy in the old midsize (larger than 
subcompact)-- Buick/Oldmobile proved that admirably in 1985.  I keep 
forgetting the engine and model, but I know that even the unleaded 
version is very good.  The diesel one is superb.  Much easier and more 
cost-efficient.

I vacilliated a lot on the last election.  I went with Bush because, 
as a Texan, I believed he could serve the majority of the Hispanic 
population (at least over here) better.  I could be wrong.


#30 of 133 by oval on Fri Jun 7 01:54:13 2002:

if you ain't gonna bash the bastard, take it elsewhere! ;P



#31 of 133 by russ on Fri Jun 7 04:23:34 2002:

Re #24:  klg, would you mind using some white space or other clear
delimiter between quotes and your responses?  The way you do it is
harder on your readers.


#32 of 133 by oval on Fri Jun 7 04:51:01 2002:

http://www.presidentmoron.com/bushonics.html

exerptitude:

"But that attitude may be changing. Bushonics speakers, emboldened by the Bush
presidency, are beginning to make their voices heard. Lisa Shaw has formed
a support group for local speakers of the dialect and is demanding that her
son's school offer "a full-blown up apologism." And a growing number of
linguists argue that Bushonics isn't a collection of language "mistakes" but
rather a well-formed linguistic system, with its own lexical, phonological
and syntactic patterns. "



#33 of 133 by void on Fri Jun 7 05:16:20 2002:

   re #29: The Shrub isn't Texan.  He just fakes it.


#34 of 133 by jaklumen on Fri Jun 7 08:50:34 2002:

I'm aware that George Sr. is a New Englander.  If that amounts to 
fakery, ah, well..


#35 of 133 by void on Fri Jun 7 19:38:57 2002:

Check the Shrub's birthplace.  He's not Texan.


#36 of 133 by twinkie on Fri Jun 7 20:14:14 2002:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...



#37 of 133 by bdh3 on Sat Jun 8 08:30:31 2002:

Shoot it and eat it.



#38 of 133 by jaklumen on Sat Jun 8 10:09:45 2002:

That doesn't necessarily prove anything unless he lived a long time 
elsewhere.  I was born in Utah, and lived for 4 years in Idaho, but 
I'm much more characteristic of the typical Washingtonian.


#39 of 133 by twinkie on Sun Jun 9 23:58:50 2002:

Well, you had better stop it. 

If we're going to accept void's definition here, you're really just a big
poseur, and it's high time you got back on the path to being a good mormon.



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