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Grex Agora41 Item 149: Questions about interactions among the states
Entered by jp2 on Thu May 2 23:52:53 UTC 2002:

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#1 of 25 by scott on Fri May 3 01:14:23 2002:

"As most of you know, I live in Maryland near the DC line.  And, as most of
 you know, Virginia is full of assholes. "

Umm... nah.  Too easy.  ;)


#2 of 25 by mcnally on Fri May 3 01:35:52 2002:

  >  Ummm... nah.  Too easy.

  Indeed.

  I think Maryland should annex the Virginia portion of the Delmarva
  peninsula for a start..


#3 of 25 by ea on Fri May 3 03:45:35 2002:

Ohio: We'll give you the Upper Peninsula if you give us Toledo
Michigan: ok, sure

(I think that the UP brings in more tourism dollars than Toledo does.  
However, Toledo has the UPS hub, which presumably provides a lot of 
jobs)


#4 of 25 by gull on Fri May 3 03:49:32 2002:

I do wonder if they regretted that decision around 1850 or so, when half the
world's copper was coming from the U.P.


#5 of 25 by bdh3 on Fri May 3 03:59:55 2002:

Depending on the issue at hand individual US States 'sue' each other
in courts at a federal level to settle issues.  Such recent I recall
are NJ -v- NY over who get money from tourist attraction - I believe
that NJ's case was something like because there was a bridge linking
the island with NJ, the island which NY claimed was actually instead
land and part of NJ.  Georgia -v- South Carolina over an issue 
involving the Savannah river and some valuable land - the irony of
South Carolina attempting to assert federal authority over one of
its fellow 'confederate' states was particularly wonderful.  I
believe Ohio and Kentucky went at each other over land that was
previously river- one state asserting it owned land on the other
state's side of the river, although I don't recall which. 



#6 of 25 by krj on Fri May 3 04:01:39 2002:

Crabbing is a very serious issue out there.  I'm surprised Maryland and 
Virginia aren't ganging up to blame Pennsylvania.  What, specifically,
are the Chesapeake Bay states arguing about with respect to crabbing
this time?


#7 of 25 by jp2 on Fri May 3 04:05:55 2002:

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#8 of 25 by gelinas on Fri May 3 04:11:54 2002:

Actually, 'twas Wisconsin that got the shaft in the Toledo War: the UP was
NOT part of Ohio, after all, y'know.


#9 of 25 by rcurl on Fri May 3 05:12:22 2002:

State administrators, probably mostly at department head level at first,
telephone or e-mail their counterparts in other states. After all, they
almost all speak the same language.


#10 of 25 by bdh3 on Fri May 3 06:11:27 2002:

Ohio IRS chief: "Hay, yawl.  We'uns sees them new vacation homes
you'uns is buildin on that there land that used to be river botton."
Kentucky IRS chief: "Uh, hun.  Got one meself, uh huh."
OIRSC: "Well now, seems to me that there is river bottom an like it
as you know, the state boundry be the river bank on you'uns side
and bein how yawl be legally like living in our river an like
that you all otters be payin yer propertizin taxes to we'uns."
KIRSC: "Nuh-uh, that river there, she done moved liket.  So that
there used to be you'un's river botton.  Be we'uns land doncha
hear now."
OIRSC: "Gonna hafta go lawerin that then there."
KIRSC: "You be sure an give it to my wife's second cousin's niece's
nephew Billy-bob now yah hear?"
ORISC: "Sure an liket be given yer side to me wife's brother 
Jimmy-ray, yuh hear?
KRISC: "Don't make me no never mind.  Ya'll take care now, hear?"
OIRSC: "Bye now"


#11 of 25 by gull on Fri May 3 12:50:10 2002:

Re #8: True, but I'm not sure how much they cared.  At the time, the land
was largely unexplored and thought to be pretty much worthless.

Re #10: There's some interesting passages in Mark Twain's _Life on the
Mississippi_ about chunks of land moving from one state's jurisdiction to
another when the Mississippi would cut off a bend.  Nowadays the Mississippi
is so thoroughly engineered and controlled I doubt that sort of thing
happens much anymore.


#12 of 25 by edina on Fri May 3 13:37:14 2002:

Jamie - kiss my ass.  Only over-tanned wife beaters live in MD.


#13 of 25 by jp2 on Fri May 3 13:53:23 2002:

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#14 of 25 by blaise on Fri May 3 16:19:01 2002:

As folks may or may not know, I live in Alexandria, Virginia, where Maryland
has teamed up with Fairfax County to force through a twelve-lane monstrosity
of a bridge to replace the Woodrow Wilson bridge.  Maryland is also blocking
the concept of a true bypass (why should *all* the traffic going *past* DC
[from Baltimore and points north to Richmond and points south] have to use
the Capital Beltway?).  Neither side is squeaky-clean.


#15 of 25 by jp2 on Fri May 3 17:46:02 2002:

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#16 of 25 by gelinas on Sat May 4 04:18:10 2002:

Huh?  How is 495 not a bypass?  (I was living there when 95 from Springfield
north was renumbered to 395, and 495 from Springfield east was renumbered to
95, with 495 being the loop north and west of the DC.)


#17 of 25 by jp2 on Sat May 4 07:37:16 2002:

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#18 of 25 by edina on Sat May 4 17:14:31 2002:

Blaise, where in Alexandria do you live?  I live in the Kingstowne area.


#19 of 25 by krj on Sat May 4 23:54:14 2002:

resp:14 and beyond:  The Capital Beltway, originally I-495 until the 
plan to punch I-95 through the city was abandoned, may have been a 
bypass when it was built, but now it's the Main Street for the 
Washington DC area, completely congested with local traffic.  
So there's a thought that it would be good to build an "outer bypass"
so that the long-haul traffic on I-95 could skip the DC area 
entirely.  I vaguely recall one plan to build a freeway down the 
Eastern Shore, and have the bypass route take the Chesapeake Bay 
Bridge-Tunnel to rejoin I-95 in the Newport News area, and another 
plan to build something taking a western sweep around the city.
 
Jamie's resp:15 about "the District won't let a bypass be built"
is somewhat mystifying, since Washington's city government can't 
even sneeze without getting permission from Congress.


#20 of 25 by gelinas on Sun May 5 03:06:37 2002:

Hadn't heard about those plans; thanks, Ken.


#21 of 25 by senna on Sun May 5 05:04:03 2002:

He mentioned that Congress had killed all four bypasses.

The "second bypass" is currently in progress in Toronto, where the exact
phenomenon Ken is describing has occurred with the 401.  The "ETR" 407 has
yet to be completed all the way East, but it gets people as far as the 400
and it's starting to gain acceptance despite the tolls involved.  The
difference, of course, is the willingness of Canadians to wink at the
government's use of money.

The other difference is that there is even less available freeway for Toronto
commuters for a substantial population base.  


#22 of 25 by jp2 on Sun May 5 18:07:02 2002:

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#23 of 25 by blaise on Mon May 6 18:33:06 2002:

I'm referring to bypassing the whole DC metro area, not just DC itself.

I live on Edsall just inside the city limits.


#24 of 25 by edina on Mon May 6 19:16:36 2002:

You live right by my Dad - he's on Jefferson Circle in the townhouses.  I live
about 5-10 minutes away, depending on traffic.

Wanna go to dinner sometime?


#25 of 25 by blaise on Wed May 8 18:58:46 2002:

Sure.

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