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Grex Agora41 Item 102: Noblesse Oblige in the Modern World
Entered by mvpel on Fri Apr 19 01:34:09 UTC 2002:

An exchange in a recent item prompted me to enter this, an article from the
Daily Northwestern newspaper by Joshua Elder:

http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/
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     I was sitting in Northwestern University's Fisk Hall listening to
left-wing British journalist Robert Fisk, a veteran foreign correspondent
in the Middle East, when it came to me ... but more on that in a moment. 

     First, a little background on the esteemed Mr. Fisk. He first came to
my attention in December when he wrote a column for his newspaper,
The Independent, headlined: "My beating by refugees is a symbol of the
hatred and fury of this filthy war." 

     According to Fisk's account, a mob of Afghan refugees in Pakistan
savagely assaulted him. The men beat him with their fists and large
stones. One young boy even tried to steal his bag -- which held his money,
credit cards and passport. 

     Fisk fought back and managed to get away with the help of a good
Samaritan, a Muslim, who stepped between him and the attackers and
probably saved Fisk's life. 

     A harrowing tale, but not all that unique. Daniel Pearl, a reporter for
the Wall Street Journal, was kidnapped and murdered by a group of Muslim
extremists after being forced to record statements denouncing America and
Israel. 

     Fisk was lucky. He survived. Yet in an almost Christ-like act of
forgiveness, Fisk pardoned his attackers.  According to him, their violent
behavior was not their fault. It was America's. 

     "The Afghan men and boys who had attacked me who should have never done
so but whose brutality was entirely the product of others, of us," he said. 

     I asked Fisk if he would have found the attack justified if the roles
were reversed, if it had been an Arab journalist attacked by a group of
grieving American relatives of those who died in the World Trade Center. 

     What he said surprised me. In Fisk's view, Americans were too educated
and too civilized to ever do something like that. Following this reasoning to
its logical conclusion, the Afghan refugees who attacked him were little more
than savages. 

     Aside from the obvious fallacy that Fisk makes in assuming that one needs
a college education to know the difference between right and wrong, his
statement shows a kind of colonial mindset of noblesse oblige that I thought
had long since been buried but apparently is still alive and well in the
dogma of the modern leftist. 

     This is the epiphany I spoke of earlier. 

     Many of the liberals that I have encountered on this campus seem to be
motivated in whole, or in part, by this ideology of noblesse oblige. They are
comfortably middle and upper class -- secure in wealth, education and social
privilege. They are superior to the general population and they know it.

     Of course, that superiority brings with it guilt. This leads them to tear
down the very institutions that gave them their privileged positions, while
at the same time, they try to raise up those hopeless "savages" who cannot
achieve success on their own. 

     Fisk made that very clear when he excused the Afghans who so brutally
attacked him because the "Great Satan" made them do it. So pathetic were
those people in his eyes that they lacked even a rudimentary moral agency. 

     Fisk, like so many other liberals, pities those whose causes he
champions. There is no respect or compassion -- only pity motivated by
guilt. 

     Noblesse oblige, indeed. 

     By Joshua Elder 

     http://www.dailynorthwestern.com
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20 responses total.



#1 of 20 by other on Fri Apr 19 03:13:22 2002:

This may be an accurate protrayal of Fisk's worldview, but don't tar the
entire universe of liberal thinking with that brush.


#2 of 20 by jazz on Fri Apr 19 04:03:57 2002:

        I know whereof he speaks, but serious liberals condemn their thinking
as much as they condemn the thinking of the religious right.


#3 of 20 by rlejeune on Fri Apr 19 13:14:17 2002:

tanding" when actually they are being disrespectful in a polite way.


#4 of 20 by flem on Fri Apr 19 14:19:16 2002:

Where's a dumbass tag when I need one.


#5 of 20 by jmsaul on Fri Apr 19 16:24:39 2002:

Farker, eh?


#6 of 20 by flem on Fri Apr 19 20:31:19 2002:

From time to time.  :)


#7 of 20 by janc on Sun Apr 21 01:09:00 2002:

Um, I happen to agree that those who are well off should try to do 
something for those who aren't.  It's inaccurate to try to trace all of 
liberal philosophy back to such an impulse, but it's not a bad impulse.

I mean what's the suggested alternative here?  Maybe denial?  I should 
pretend that Americans are no better off than Afghan refugees?  Or 
maybe I could decide that I'm better off than the average Afghan 
refugee purely because of my greater personal virtue and my harder 
work, and tell myself that because of that I have no need to pity them?

I think if you want to tar the liberals with a dirty word, you'll need 
a much dirtier one than "noblesse oblige".  Aside from it's 
aristocratic overtones, it's not a bad idea.


#8 of 20 by gull on Sun Apr 21 02:37:43 2002:

Re #7:
> Or maybe I could decide that I'm better off than the average Afghan 
> refugee purely because of my greater personal virtue and my harder 
> work, and tell myself that because of that I have no need to pity
> them?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's a basic right-wing plank.  It's one 
I've seen jp2 espouse often.  It's a pretty basic application of Social 
Darwinism.


#9 of 20 by slynne on Sun Apr 21 19:08:39 2002:

Does Fisk really believe that Afghans are savages or is he 
acknowledging that things like poverty and hunger often frustrate 
people to the point where they are more likely to do bad things? 




#10 of 20 by gelinas on Sun Apr 21 22:48:42 2002:

Hmm... I read #0 and think of Kipling's "White Man's Burden".  Not much has
changed in a hundred years.

I think it takes quite a bit to read "In Fisk's view, Americans were too
educated and too civilized to ever do something like that" and come up
with "he [is] acknowledging that things like poverty and hunger often
frustrate people to the point where they are more likely to do bad things".


#11 of 20 by slynne on Mon Apr 22 16:26:03 2002:

It isnt any more of a leap than when folks say that he thinks Afghans 
are savages. 


#12 of 20 by md on Wed Apr 24 01:40:37 2002:

7: I real life, the alternative for almost everyone, I suspect, is to 
understand that those are the breaks.  Some people are luckier than 
you, and some people are unluckier.  The feeling of obligation to help 
the unluckier ones is practically what defines a good person.

But while we're feeling sorry for the Afghanistanis and the 
Palestinians, we need to keep reminding ourselves that many of them 
think it sucks to be *us*.  That's why they want to prevent us from 
turning the rest of the world into us.  


#13 of 20 by oval on Wed Apr 24 01:43:47 2002:

i think it sucks to be "us" too.



#14 of 20 by md on Wed Apr 24 01:45:51 2002:

You could make a real good case for that.


#15 of 20 by oval on Wed Apr 24 01:46:21 2002:

since when did i piss *you* off eh?



#16 of 20 by md on Wed Apr 24 01:47:58 2002:

You didn't.  I agreed with you!


#17 of 20 by oval on Wed Apr 24 01:50:45 2002:

oh! :)  



#18 of 20 by mvpel on Wed Apr 24 21:25:49 2002:

Re: 7 - the issue is not a lack of recognition that they are worse off than
we are, but rather the attitude that they can't help but be worse off than
we are because of their presumed inferiority, and they'll stay that way unless
we help them, and even when we do help them, they can't be expected to behave
like civilized people.


#19 of 20 by oval on Wed Apr 24 21:46:57 2002:

is it just me, or does #18 totally contradict itself?



#20 of 20 by dbunker on Wed Apr 24 22:55:19 2002:

That mysterious mnvpel; he's an enema wrapped in a puddle! 

FWIW, #0 contains exactly two quotes. The rest is the author's attempt read
Fisk's mind or project ideas on him that we have no way of knowing he actually
endorses. Pretty absurd actually. A more reasonable interpretation, although
one we again don't know is correct, is that "To whom much is given, much is
expected."

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