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krj
response 97 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 06:53 UTC 2002

It seems that Roxio, the CD burner software maker, is going to buy
the assets of Napster for $5 million.  As I expected, this is 
substantially less than the $8 million offered by BMG; the bankruptcy
court was convinced to rule that the BMG offer was a sweetheart
deal which wasn't maximizing value for the creditors. 

(I argue that the record companies, which made this argument in their
role as holders of damage awards against Napster, didn't care that 
they were going to get less money in the bankruptcy: instead, 
the record companies were trying to screw the other creditors, 
mostly Napster's lawyers, as much as possible.  This seems to me to 
be a serious perversion of the bankruptcy laws; the rejection of
the BMG offer by the court was supposed to lead to *better* offers.)  

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-965960.html?tag=lh
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/28126.html

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Followup on resp:89, on the report of a study claiming a sharp decline
in the Internet CD ordering business.  The first reports claimed 
a 25% decline in sales for the first three quarters of 2002, relative
to the same period in 2001.  The NY Times had a story which was even
more alarmist: a 39% decline for the third quarter, relative to 
2001, and the base period in 2001 includes the weeks after the 
September 11 attacks, when US entertainment spending dried up 
for a few weeks.

But the bottom of the Times report was taken up with reports by Amazon, the 
dominant  online CD retailer, and from CD Universe (#5 in the field, I think)
saying that their sales were doing just fine.  This doesn't make sense:
if sales are down 25-39%, we should see online retailers folding; 
we shouldn't see reports of sales holding steady.

So I'm suspecting the study reporting such a sharp sales decline online
is bogus.
orinoco
response 98 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 16:26 UTC 2002

(It could be that the decline is killing off the small retailers, and big
names like Amazon are hanging on okay.  Or, yeah, it could be that the report
is full of it.)
anderyn
response 99 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 04:18 UTC 2002

I dunno. I buy CDs online from small retailers more than not. But then I like
to buy odd and obscure stuff when I get music -- folk music, from other
countries, that's not available on Amazon. I haven't gotten that much bought
music this year -- and most of that has been at a brick-and-mortar store, or
from the artist directly, though. (OhMIGawd, I just figured it out. It's all
my fault! I'm the reason they think all the sales are declining! I haven't
been out there spending money on CDs so the slump is all my fault! I must go
hang my head in shame now.)
orinoco
response 100 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 14:47 UTC 2002

Uh, yeah, Twila.  And because of you, the Terrorists Have Already Won. ;)
gull
response 101 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 15:33 UTC 2002

I rarely buy new CDs from "brick and mortar" stores, these days.  They
rarely seem to have what I want in stock, and if I have to special-order
I might as well cut out the middle man and go straight to Amazon or
CDNOW.  When I go to a record store these days, it's usually to buy used
CDs.
scott
response 102 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 16:48 UTC 2002

Actually I've bought a few LPs from the ReUse Center ($1 each, which is high
by garage-sale standards) and found some pretty cool music - Burt Bachrach
Plays His Hits, Perspectives in Percussion vol 2 (one of those cool records
they made to push stereo hi-fi).
</keesan>
polytarp
response 103 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 20:20 UTC 2002

gulag
keesan
response 104 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 20:43 UTC 2002

Keesan buys her LPs by the bagful from the library booksale at about 10 cents
each at the winter and spring clearout sales, but I think they are normally
50 cents each and they have a large selection.
anderyn
response 105 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 21:13 UTC 2002

I don't buy lps, although I do own quite a few. I also don't buy cassettes
any more, although I do have several machines that can and do play them. I
have probably several hundred of each in the house, and then there are the
CDs. I don't think I actually *need* to get any more music, but I certainly
want to get more!
gull
response 106 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 19 14:37 UTC 2002

I've occasionally bought LPs, mostly of albums that are out of print and
hence aren't available on CD.  I burn my own CDs of the music, after
recording it to my computer and doing normalization and noise reduction.
 The results aren't as "clean" as a modern CD, but they generally sound
as good or better than the LP and I don't have to worry about wearing it
out.
krj
response 107 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 19:44 UTC 2002

Cnet reports that RIAA is seeking contempt sanctions against the file
trading service Madster, the former Aimster, for failing to shut down
the trading of copyrighted files in compliance with a preliminary 
injunction.    The owner of Madster was claiming,
IIRC (it's not in this story) that the system was so decentralized
that it could not be shut off.  I don't know the details of its architecture;
somehow it is piggybacked on AOL Instant Messenger.

More file trading court dates coming up in the next two weeks.

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-966800.html?tag=lh
hera
response 108 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 07:49 UTC 2002

Napster? Does anyone even talk about napster anymore? It's November 2002,
people: get with the times!!
janc
response 109 of 160: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 13:04 UTC 2002

Having a hard time reading past the title?
gull
response 110 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 14:51 UTC 2002

The bargain-hunter site FatWallet.com was given DMCA notices by WalMart,
Target, Best Buy, Staples, OfficeMax, Jo-Ann Stores, and KMart for
posting their sale prices on its site:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28223.html
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=18&threadid=1
26042


FatWallet complied, but has since filed a lawsuit claiming "frivolous
copyright assertion" and demanding damages, based on their belief that
sale prices are facts and cannot by copyrighted:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28429.html

Apparently the final straw was when WalMart obtained a subpoena to try
to get FatWallet to name the person who gave them the pricing information.
slynne
response 111 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 15:18 UTC 2002

Couldnt someone just walk into any old WalMart store for information on 
their sale prices? It isnt like they go out of their way to keep their 
prices a secret. 
orinoco
response 112 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 15:52 UTC 2002

I imagine that's part of what FatWallet's claiming in their lawsuit.  Seems
like a no-brainer to me, but maybe there are, uh, subtleties that I'm missing.
mcnally
response 113 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 16:42 UTC 2002

  If this is the same case I heard an NPR piece on the other day, I got the
  impression that the merchants were angry because their upcoming promotions
  were being leaked and posted on the site in advance of their official
  announcements.  If that's the case, then no, the same information wouldn't
  be available to someone walking into any old WalMart store..

  It's still unclear to me that the merchants have any course of action
  against FatWallet.  Against their own employees who are leaking competitive
  information, sure, but not necessarily against the third party reporting
  that information.
other
response 114 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 17:04 UTC 2002

Especially since I don't think you can copyright information per se.  You 
can copyright the specific way in which it is presented, but not the 
content itself.  (Assuming the content is not in and of itself a unique 
creative product.)
mcnally
response 115 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 17:31 UTC 2002

  It might come under the category of "trade secret" (in fact, probably does)
  but the DMCA does not, as far as I know, protect trade secrets.
gull
response 116 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 21:53 UTC 2002

I know someone who was once asked to leave a store because he was
writing down prices.  I don't remember if it was WalMart or KMart.

The same guy was threatened with legal action for a web site he made
that documented Houghton gas prices for several months.  (He was
demonstrating that not only were all the gas prices in the area the
same, they remained at the same (high) level as prices fluctuated in
other nearby towns.)
dang
response 117 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 22:05 UTC 2002

FatWallet is now countersuing under the DMCA.  (It inlcudes a clause
saying it can't be used for spurious/harassing claims)
other
response 118 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 22:42 UTC 2002

re #116:  Did he take down the site or tell the fuckers that they could 
go ahead but they'd have their butts kicked all over the courtroom?
krj
response 119 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 22:47 UTC 2002

Another Tower Records near-death story.  They have $200 million in 
debt and $18.99 is too much to charge for stuff that Amazon sells for 
$3-4 cheaper (and Wal-Mart, and Best Buy).  Their selection is not 
saving them.  Tower is praying for big holiday season to bail them 
out, so we might watch for another story after Christmas.
 
http://www.p2pnet.net/issue05/page6.html
 
http://www.detnews.com/2002/business/0211/30/business-23788.htm
 
As mentioned in the last round of Tower-Near-Death stories, a 
failure at Tower Records would be a massive blow towards what remains
of classical CD retailing in the USA.
jmsaul
response 120 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 00:00 UTC 2002

Well, at the prices currently being charged for CDs, I'm not surprised.
dang
response 121 of 160: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 00:26 UTC 2002

resp:117 and WalMart caved in.
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