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slynne
response 96 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 12:52 UTC 2004

thanks for making the effort.
drew
response 97 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 21:23 UTC 2004

Personally I've seldom had good luck with tape. CDR disks work somewhat
better, but occasionally one does eventually go bad on me. I'm not sure about
DVD-R/RW, as they haven't been around long enough yet. My best results for
backing up have been with an extra hard drive, plugged in for the purpose then
removed when the backup is complete. CF cards are also good, though a bit
expensive per-megabyte at the moment. They're coming down, though.
tpryan
response 98 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 23:05 UTC 2004

        External harddrives are now in the range of $1 a Gigabyte.
BTW new floppy disks are also near $1 for 1.44 Megabyte.
mcnally
response 99 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 00:58 UTC 2004

This response has been erased.

gelinas
response 100 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 01:16 UTC 2004

I've started an item in garage, #173, to discuss back-up options.  Once the
ideas have coalesced, we can start an item in coop for the decision.  Or
the garage item can be linked to coop, as the fairwitness prefers.
mfp
response 101 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 02:11 UTC 2004

I think the best idea is to get someone COMPETENT to do the backups.
gull
response 102 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 15:14 UTC 2004

I thought that tape drive was almost new.  Maybe it just needs cleaning?
tod
response 103 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 17:28 UTC 2004

Thanks for reminding us at 11pm the night before that the system would be down
all day. *cough* ;)
albaugh
response 104 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 19:10 UTC 2004

I believe the notice was in the motd at least 2 days prior to the back.

Geez, no [attempted] good deed goes unpunished around here...  :-(
tod
response 105 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 19:26 UTC 2004

re #104
 I believe the notice was in the motd at least 2 days prior to the back.

I believe Grex was off the Internet all of Wednesday, came up til 2pm on
Friday, then disappeared again and didn't come back
up til late Friday night.  How is that "2 days prior" when the system wasn't 
even up a full 2 days straight?

**This is from M-Net's Grex conference where most people check for a
status(contrary to the idea anyone ever goes to HVCN):

#18 Ken Josenhans (krj) Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (14:16):
 Grex came back up late Wednesday night, was up for all? of Thursday,
 and at 2 pm it rolled off the net again.  I haven't tried direct dial
 yet.


#19 Ken Josenhans (krj) Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (20:20):
 I tried direct dial; it looks like the actual Grex computer is down,
 not just off the net.

#20 Slow on the uptake (justcarl) Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (21:07):
        same here, as of 9:10 pm (Est)

#21 Ken Josenhans (krj) Sat, Nov 27, 2004 (00:15):
 Grex was rebooted and came back sometime Friday evening.
other
response 106 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 21:27 UTC 2004

Some of us have no active account on mnet and do not want to create one
just to periodically check Grex's status, assuming mnet newuser is even
running.
tod
response 107 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 21:42 UTC 2004

re #106
That's another good point.  What's the fallback when the grex.org website goes
offline?  Is it possible to have a redirect to a "down for maintenance" page?
mary
response 108 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 22:00 UTC 2004

I think Joe had that message in the motd for a good long time,
but he'd have to give the specifics. 

And Joe kept Grex's status updated at:

http://www.hvcn.org/info/grex/

Thanks again, Joe.  Let the rest roll, please, it doesn't
speak for many at all.

cmcgee
response 109 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 22:33 UTC 2004

I saw the MOTD message for several days; my sense was Monday or Tuesday before
the Saturday along with the address at hvcn for update info.
tod
response 110 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 22:51 UTC 2004

You get a gold star then.  The rest of us have quicker terminals.
naftee
response 111 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 23:03 UTC 2004

WAIT guys; why is john remmers ONLY allowed to use his initials in the
MOTD, whereas Joseph Gelinas (user gelinas) proudly displays his full
loginid ?!

Nominations for the Grex Board of Directors are now CLOSED.  Nominees have
until the start of voting on December 1 to decide whether to accept and to
get their membership status in order.  See Item 207 in the Coop conference
for related discussion.  -jhr

Grex was down on Saturday, November 27, for a disk backup that failed.
                                                                - gelinas.
mfp
response 112 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 23:16 UTC 2004

And why does gelinas get an extra space and period?!  Looks like just another
case of favoured users for favoured people to me.
mcnally
response 113 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 00:40 UTC 2004

Silence, Grexdrone!
gelinas
response 114 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 01:09 UTC 2004

IIRC, I put the notice of the backup in the MOTD on Saturday or Sunday.

We try to keep the MOTD down to a single screen, roughly 23 lines.  With the
addition of the birthday greetings (which I don't see, BTW) and other things
in people's .login/.cshrc/.profile/etc files, that may be too much.  Still,
we do the best we can.
gelinas
response 115 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 01:37 UTC 2004

Still, I _could_ have remembered this item earlier than I did.  I'll try to
remember to use it, should there be a next time.
slynne
response 116 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 02:28 UTC 2004

You sure are a good natured fellow, gelinas. 
mfp
response 117 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 02:36 UTC 2004

#4 of 30: by Joseph L Gelinas (gelinas) on Sat, Mar 13, 2004 (19:13):
 JP2.  Fuck.  Off.
mfp
response 118 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 02:39 UTC 2004

#36 of 169: by Joseph L Gelinas (gelinas) on Thu, Jan  8, 2004 (00:13):

(Unrelated material excised.)

 News flash, mynxcat:  YOU are one of the annoying ones.  YOU are part of
 the problem.  I invite you to re-read this conference, concentrating on
 the responses from "mynxcat" and consider them as a third person.  *JUST*
 this conference; no need to torture yourself with your reponses in agora,
 present or past, nor international.

(Another excision.)
charcat
response 119 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 04:52 UTC 2004

I also remember seeing the notice of being shut down sat on monday or
tuesday. Thanks for the work Joe!
naftee
response 120 of 139: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 05:00 UTC 2004

It's the beard that does it!
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