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aruba
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response 96 of 316:
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Jun 22 02:37 UTC 1999 |
#92 was a response to #90.
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scg
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response 97 of 316:
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Jun 22 07:45 UTC 1999 |
I just had to do an emergency trip to Downtown Detroit during the time I
thought I was going to spend on writing something. I have no idea if I can
come up with anything coherrent at this point.
Having skimmed John's press release, I think his first paragraph starts it
off very wrongly, in that anybody skimming press releases for interesting
stories is going to get bored and move on to something else before they find
out what the press release is about.
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scg
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response 98 of 316:
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Jun 22 08:25 UTC 1999 |
Ok, here's my crack at it. Pasting from WordPerfect seems to have done some
strange formatting things:
Cyberspace Communications, Inc., the operator of the Grex computer
conferencing system, has joined in the ACLU s lawsuit against Michigan s
Child Online Protection Act. The organization says the new law, scheduled
to take effect August 1, would make it impossible for it to continue
operating. Grex is a public access computer conferencing system,
providing access to free discussion forums on a variety of topics, e-mail,
and limited Internet access, to more than 28,000 users throughout the
world. The Child Online Protection Act is a law recently passed by the
Michigan Legislature, which provides criminal penalties for providing
"sexually explicit" material via the Internet in ways which make it
accessible to minors. Under the new law, Cyberspace Communications says
it would no longer be able to allow members of the public to post to its
conferences, for fear that the content of those messages could be illegal.
"Public Act 33 would make it impossible for Grex to continue to provide
the kind of free-speech forum to which people are constitutionally
entitled," said John Remmers, President of Cyberspace Communications. "The
law is broad enough that 'sexually explicit' material may include
discussions of rape, AIDS, safe sex, pornography laws, prostitution, and
other topics which people are entitled to discuss openly and frankly. The
law encompasses even clinical discussions of sexual issues. In order to
avoid prosecution under this act, Grex would have to authenticate all
users and censor sexually explicit material. As a user-supported
non-profit organization, we do not have the resources to do either,
nor should we have to in a society that is protected by First Amendment
freedoms."
Grex' s conferencing forums currently contain about 42 million words of
text, about five times the number in a typical 20-volume encyclopedia.
Roughly 200 new messages are posted to the forums every day. Grex also
has a live-chat area in which over 5,000 short messages are posted daily.
Although the core of most active users is largely Michigan-based, Grex has
roughly 29,000 users from all over the world. Grex does not require users
to provide identification and does not pre-screen messages posted to the
forums or censor them after the fact; doing any of thse things would be
inconsistent with Grex s free-speech mission. Cyberspace Communications
was recently granted 501(c)3 tax exempt status by the Internal Revenue
Service.
"The Internet provides prospects for communications which the world has
never seen before," said Remmers. "It is now commonplace to discuss
politics with people in foreign countries, and to meet people with
disabilities that would otherwise keep them from interacting." Grex has
been enormously successful at this mission, despite operating on a
shoestring budget and being maintained by an entirely volunteer,
unsalaried technical staff.
Since Grex is governed by its users, there has been extensive discussion
online about whether to join in the lawsuit. That discussion can be seen
at http://www.cyberspace.org/cgi-bin/bt/peek:coop:98. Other plaintiffs in
the lawsuit include: [insert list of plaintiffs here]
--
Cyberspace Communications, based in Ann Arbor Michigan, is a 501(c)3
non-profit corporation. Its website is at http://www.cyberspace.org. For
further information, please contact Mary Remmers, at mary@cyberspace.org
or 734 [###-####.]
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mary
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response 99 of 316:
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Jun 22 10:25 UTC 1999 |
I like that version a whole lot, Steve. Very nice.
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remmers
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response 100 of 316:
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Jun 22 10:35 UTC 1999 |
I'll see if I have any suggestions for improvement, but basically I like
it too.
The quote that begins "The Internet provides prospects for
communications..." should be credited to "Mark Conger, Treasurer of
Cyberspace Communications", not to me.
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remmers
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response 101 of 316:
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Jun 22 15:48 UTC 1999 |
I just had a call from Michael Steinberg of the ACLU. They're filing
today, with Cyberspace Communications as the lead plaintiff. They don't
yet know what judge will be hearing the case. (As previously noted, they
decided not to hold a press conference.)
There are nine other plaintiffs, listed below. Some are based in
Michigan, some are not. The suit has an "interstate commerce" component
-- under this clause of the constitution, Michigan has no authority to
regulate interstate commerce. This gives standing to non-Michigan
sites.
The other plaintiffs are:
Arbornet (http://www.arbornet.org/) -
Art on the Net (http://www.art.net/) - a web art gallery
The National ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/)
Web Del Sol (http://webdelsol.com/) - a literary site
Lit Line (http://www.litline.org/) - another literary site
Alt-X (don't know the URL, but it's a literary site)
AIDS Partnership of Michigan (don't know the URL)
Glad Day (http://www.tiac.net/users/gladday/) - Gay & Lesbian
online bookshop
SexEd.Org (http://www.sexed.org/) - sexuality discussion site
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remmers
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response 102 of 316:
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Jun 22 15:51 UTC 1999 |
(Oops, I forgot to say what Arbornet is, but I think most people reading
this know. Like us, they're a Michigan non-profit that runs an online
service -- M-Net -- that provides a free speech forum.)
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remmers
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response 103 of 316:
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Jun 22 16:04 UTC 1999 |
Just got a call from Mary. Tom Shram of the ACLU called her at work to
let her know that the suit is being filed and to ask for a quote from
her that they could include in the ACLU's press release. She didn't
have time to give me the detailed quote over the phone, but I imagine
we'll be reading it later.
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scg
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response 104 of 316:
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Jun 22 18:50 UTC 1999 |
I just woke up and got to work. I'm not going to have time to do any editing
of what I wrote earlier for several hours, but feel free to hack at it and
use whatever the end result is.
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aruba
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response 105 of 316:
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Jun 22 19:02 UTC 1999 |
I'll attempt a combination of the three drafts.
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dpc
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response 106 of 316:
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Jun 22 20:42 UTC 1999 |
Mike Steinberg told me this morning that he would have Tom Schram
call Liz Cobbs of the Snooze and tip her off about the Ann Arbor
plaintiffs in he suit. No call yet from Liz; nothing from
Mike confirming that the suit has in fact been filed.
I like short, spiffy quotes in a press release. Remember
the audience.
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dpc
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response 107 of 316:
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Jun 22 20:48 UTC 1999 |
The suit will be filed *tomorrow* (Wednesday) according to Steinberg's
office. The lawyers were still working on it at 2:00, and figured
it was too late to file today. So it goes...
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remmers
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response 108 of 316:
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Jun 22 20:52 UTC 1999 |
Ah. And I read it on Grex first!
Regarding the press release: so you're saying that Steve's approach
(written like a news story, with opinions expressed as individual
quotes) is the correct one here, rather than a position paper (Mark's
and my approach)? I'm completely new to the press release game, so I'm
asking. I'm perfectly happy with Steve's format, if it's appropriate,
since we essentially get to write the news story ourselves.
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scg
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response 109 of 316:
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Jun 22 20:59 UTC 1999 |
You can look at http://www.prnewswire.com for lots of examples of press
releases.
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aruba
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response 110 of 316:
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Jun 22 21:03 UTC 1999 |
I spoke with a friend of mine today who is a technical editor and former
journalist. I should have called her first. :) She gave me some rules on
how to structure the release. She thinks Steve's approach (writing it like
a news story) is essentially correct. We should put the news in the first
paragraph, then put all our other points (i.e., why we oppose the law) in a
paragraph right after that. That's the way a news story works, I guess - so
that the bottom can get cut and all the essential points are still there.
She thinks the background on Grex and CCI should go at the bottom, with only
what we need for the argument in the text. She also agreed that anything not
completely impartial should be written as a quote. She thinks the first quote
should be from Mary, to make it clear that she's the one we want people to
talk to. (We'll list her as the contact person, but sometimes people list,
for instance, the president's secretary as the contact person, so that
reporters call up and make an appointment with the president. So we want it
to be clear that John hasn't married his secretary. ;))
I'll see what I can do in the next couple of hours. Glad to hear we have an
extra day...
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aruba
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response 111 of 316:
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Jun 22 21:04 UTC 1999 |
(Steve slipped in.)
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mary
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response 112 of 316:
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Jun 22 23:37 UTC 1999 |
I'd make an abominable secretary - I can't spell and I refuse
to proofread on religious grounds. ;-)
I spoke with Mr. Steinberg and Mr. Schram today. Both expressed
a strong interest in having a chance to read through the final
draft of our press release(s). So maybe when we get close
we could email both of them the draft?
Mark, please let me know where you'd like a quote inserted
and I'll come up with something or simply be in accord with
your wording. Whatever works.
Mr. Schram is going to fax or email me the press release the
ACLU has drawn up to announce the filing. As soon as I get
that I'll post it here.
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aruba
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response 113 of 316:
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Jun 23 05:09 UTC 1999 |
OK, here it is - sorry it's taken me so long. I thought about it and broke
down our reasons for opposing the law into 3 arguments:
1) The law is too broad - it covers lots of things that are not about
titillation at all.
2) THe law would require validation and censorship, which infringes upon
people's First Amendment rights.
3) The law would put grass-roots organizations like Grex out of business, and
that will leave only large corporations hosting discussion forums.
Argument 3 is the weakest one, though according to Marshall Widick (the ACLU
lawyer who gave us advice on the declaration) it's very important, legally.
After all, if you put all the institutions which allow free speech out of
business, then you've essentially curtailed the speech itself.
Anyway, the first paragraph tells what happened (that we joined the suit).
The second paragraph has a one-sentence description of Grex, followed by short
summaries of the arguments. Jennifer (my ex-journalist friend) said it's
important to put the important information right up front, and not make
reporters go hunting for it.
After that, each argument gets a couple of paragraphs. (There are subheadings
between the sections, which I don't know if we should leave in or not.) The
last paragraph is about Grex. Jennifer told me that's the standard form for
a press release. It repeats some of the information from earlier, but I think
that's OK.
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aruba
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response 114 of 316:
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Jun 23 05:12 UTC 1999 |
Oh, one more thing - I called Mary and got her approval for all the quotes I
attrivbuted to her, except the last one. I hadn't written that until after
she had gone to bed. So Mary, if you don't like it, let us know.
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aruba
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response 115 of 316:
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Jun 23 05:13 UTC 1999 |
Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
P.O. Box 4432, Ann Arbor, MI 48103
Contact: Mary Remmers (734) ###-####
mary@cyberspace.org
PRESS RELEASE
For release June 23rd, 1999
Cyberspace Communications Joins ACLU to Block Censorship Law
ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN -- Cyberspace Communications, Inc., an Ann Arbor-based
non-profit corporation that operates the online community "Grex"
(www.cyberspace.org), has joined a suit to block the implementation of
Michigan Public Act 33 of 1999 (The Child Online Protection Act), which makes
it illegal to transmit "sexually explicit" material to minors. The Act is
scheduled to go into effect on August 1st, 1999. Other plaintiffs in the suit
include the American Civil Liberties Association, Art on the Net, Web Del Sol,
and the AIDS Partnership of Michigan.
Grex is an open-access online community, with a charitable mission and an all-
volunteer staff, which hosts electronic discussions. It opposes the new law
because the law is too broad (it would criminalize transmission over the
Internet of many scenes which are shown on broadcast television), and it
erodes the First Amendment right to free speech. It would also require all
sites on the Internet which host discussions to validate the identities of all
participants and censor any material visible to minors which is "sexually
explicit." Validation and censorship would stifle a lot of healthy
discussion, beyond what the law is meant to cover. And small "grass roots"
organizations such as Grex, which cannot afford to pay validators or censors,
would be forced to shut down.
THE LAW IS TOO BROAD
"It is an understandable desire to want to protect children from what some
people see as unhealthy influences," says Mary Remmers, spokesperson for
Cyberspace Communications. "We have existing laws about pornography and
obscenity to do that. This law, however, is broad enough that 'sexually
explicit' material may include discussions of rape, AIDS, safe sex,
pornography laws, prostitution, and other topics which people are entitled to
discuss openly and frankly. The law encompasses even clinical discussions of
sexual issues, not just material designed to shock and titillate."
"It would be bad enough if this were the only material affected, but a law to
outlaw one kind of speech inevitably affects other kinds. People afraid of
saying the wrong thing will avoid getting close to a topic that might get them
in trouble. The result is a widespread 'chilling effect' on free speech."
ENFORCING THE LAW WOULD REQUIRE VALIDATION AND CENSORSHIP
"In order to avoid prosecution under this act, Grex would have to authenticate
all users and censor sexually explicit material," says John Remmers, president
of Cyberspace Communications. In cyberspace, unlike in person, it is
impossible to tell who is a minor and who is not. To comply with the law,
open-access discussion systems would be required to collect ID from every
participant, and then to censor areas which are accessible to minors.
"One of the ways Grex fosters lively debate is by encouraging any and all to
participate and share their point-of-view," says Mary Remmers. "Insisting
participants first register, then wait for an ID check, then submit their
comments to moderators who would filter for content, would clearly limit
participation and stifle discussion."
"It's well-established legally that free speech isn't really free unless it
can be made anonymously," says Mark Conger, a Cyberspace Communications board
member. It is against Grex policy to censor content or to insist that people
identify themselves. "We have found time and again that the best answer to
speech you don't agree with is to rebut it, not to censor it."
VALIDATION AND CENSORSHIP ARE NOT FEASIBLE
Even if censorship were an acceptable solution, it would not be feasible for
an organization the size of Grex. Grex is a "grass roots" institution run
entirely by volunteers. Its 1998 income was approximately $8200, which came
almost entirely from donations. (The IRS has designated Cyberspace
Communications a 501(c)3 charitable institution, so donations are tax-
deductible.) Almost all of that money goes to pay utility bills to keep the
system running. Grex has no money to pay censors or validators, and yet it
has 29,000 users who post about 200 long messages and 5000 short ones every
day. It would be logistically impossible to get volunteers to do the work of
censoring that material and validating the 200 people who create accounts
daily.
Putting organizations like Grex out of business has long-range implications
for free speech. "One of the great advantages of the Internet is that an
organization like Grex with a shoestring budget can be home to a community of
thousands of people," says Mary Remmers. "If only large organizations with
lots of resources could afford to host discussion forums, then all discussion
would be limited by the biases and agendas of those organizations. Pressure
from advertisers and shareholders might influence their censorship decisions.
Under those conditions, speech is no longer free."
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Cyberspace Communications is a 501(c)3 charitable institution founded in Ann
Arbor, Michigan in 1991. Its mission is to run the online system Grex (which
means "group" in Latin) in order to foster free speech and community, and give
Internet access to people who cannot afford to pay for it. Grex hosts forums
on such topics as music, the arts, cooking, writing, consumer information,
finance, small businesses, philosophy, living with disabilities, men's and
women's issues, and games. Anyone with a computer and modem or access to the
Internet can use Grex for free, anonymously if they wish. Funding comes
almost entirely from donations, which are tax-deductible. Grex gets no money
from advertising. Because Internet bandwidth is limited, users are not
allowed to store pictures on Grex.
For more information on Grex, visit http://www.cybersace.org.
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mary
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response 116 of 316:
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Jun 23 12:27 UTC 1999 |
I like it. To be real picky, the paragraph which starts "It would be bad
enough..." is not mine. But let it stand as-is if changing the
attribution makes it clumsy.
I think we're getting close enough that the ACLU office should get a
chance to see this. We may be getting calls today. Have many Board
members had the chance to check-in on the content of the previous
versions?
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mary
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response 117 of 316:
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Jun 23 14:13 UTC 1999 |
Looking at this information from a slightly different point of
view I've tried to anticipate some of the questions a reporter
might ask, thinking through the responses. I'm entering them
here to make sure I'm not way out in left field, missing balls.
Feedback is encouraged.
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What makes CCI a valuable community service?
The people who participate, all 29,000 of them. It is not unusual to find
homemakers, professors, taxi drivers, engineers, computer programmers,
actors, the unemployed, doctors and politicians all involved in the same
discussion, sharing their expertise and opinions. Our participants log in
from all over the globe and almost all age groups are represented.
Everyone is encouraged to participate and no one is turned away. CCI
fosters the philosophy that it is not necessary for a discussion to end in
agreement for the effort to be worthwhile. If you simple learn something
of why people feel the way they do then the interaction has been valuable.
CCI provides the forum for this interaction.
Why would this law be a problem for organizations such as CCI?
This law will make it very difficult, if not impossible, for service
organizations such as CCI to facilitate open and uncensored discussion.
Our conferences include conversations on a wide variety of topics such as
parenting, sports, music, film, politics and poetry. Occasionally talk
will center on topics where "sexually explicit" comments are appropriate
and unavoidable, such as when discussing AIDS, pornography, or safe sex.
This law will make it illegal to hold such discussions on the Internet in
an open forum.
Couldn't you just keep minors away from such topics?
Only if we were able to know the true identity of everyone reading the
discussion. And how could that be accomplished, really? Anyone who was
truly motivated to get in would find a way - supplying fake ID is one
technique. Too, many users simply don't feel comfortable participating
without anonymity, for whatever reason. Authenticating all users would
make it more difficult for everyone to be part of the conversation and it
would silence many.
Is there material in your public conferences which would be inappropriate
for minors?
Our forums host conversation on a wide variety of topics, most are best
described as suitable for a general audience. But what is comfortable for
one parent may not be for another. I'm sure there are parents out there
who wouldn't want their young children reading a few of our discussions.
But for the most part the content is appropriate for minors. Remember
too, that in all of these discussions you have a nice sampling of rational
adults present who have been or who are parents of young children. To a
great degree there is a built-in sensitivity to this issue.
What would happen to Cyberspace Communications should this law were
allowed to stand?
That's not know with certainty but I suspect CCI would be forced to
abandon its mission of supplying an open forum for free public discussion.
Once all participants were forced to authenticate, all conferences were
moderated, and every word checked by a censor, I don't think there would
be much enthusiasm left for a robust and spontaneous exchange of ideas.
Cyberspace Communications is a valuable community resource which thrives
on Free Speech. It would be a tremendous shame to see our community grow
silent.
********************************************
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keesan
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response 118 of 316:
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Jun 23 14:32 UTC 1999 |
The list of occupations seems heavily slanted towards the professions and the
arts. How about including pizza delivery people, college students, clerks,
retirees?
No wonder Grex is the primary plaintiff, with all the work everyone is putting
into this press release alone.
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aruba
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response 119 of 316:
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Jun 23 14:40 UTC 1999 |
Looks great, Mary. There are a few typos ("simple" should be "simply", and
"should this law" should be "if this law", but they don't matter if you'll be
answering questions over the phone. I suggest adding a line about people with
disabilities to the first answer. You might also squeeze in a line somewhere
saying that by allowing children and adults to interact in public you increase
the chances for children to discover that not all adults are jerks.
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aruba
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response 120 of 316:
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Jun 23 14:42 UTC 1999 |
(Mary pointed out that I misspelled "cyberspace" in the URL at the bottom of
the press release. Oops. That would have been embarrassing.)
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