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rcurl
response 96 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 18:30 UTC 2006

It strikes me that if one is holding a gun in the usual right-handed 
manner, there is poorer peripheral vision to the right than to the left 
when tracking a moving target, especially if one keeps both eyes open. I'm 
not a hunter so I don't know if this really the case. How is the shooter's 
visual perception different when a right-handed shooter is tracking a 
target to the right or left?
tod
response 97 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 19:31 UTC 2006

Cheney: heart meds, beer, big cokebottle glasses....
I dunno, man.
johnnie
response 98 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 20:55 UTC 2006

I wonder what went through ol' Harry's mind at the crucial moment. 
There can't be anything scarier than having Dick Cheney suddenly turn on
you with a shotgun.
tod
response 99 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 21:27 UTC 2006

re #98
Scarier would be that after you're laying there wounded, Mary Cheney comes
out in coveralls playing dueling banjos and you hear Rumsfeld saying "You got
a perty mouth, boy"
happyboy
response 100 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 22:44 UTC 2006

"you suck with the mouth you HAVE."
gull
response 101 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 04:13 UTC 2006

The county shriff, Ramon Salinas, has said that there's no evidence of
negligence and no charges will be filed:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/02/16/national/w12091
4S41.
DTL
johnnie
response 102 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 15:07 UTC 2006

>The county shriff, Ramon Salinas, has said that there's no evidence of
>negligence and no charges will be filed:

And a fine investigation it was.  When he got word from "Captain Kirk"
(snicker) that there'd been a shooting involving the VP, and Kirk had
been denied entry to the ranch (by a border patrol agent), Sheriff
Salinas didn't rush right out; instead, he called the former sheriff,
who happens now to be a ranch hand for the very wealthy Ms Armstrong who
owns the ranch where the shooting occured.  The former sheriff said,
"Uh...let me get back to you on that...", and indeed called later to
say, "Mmm...Accident.  Yep, nothing to worry about.   Accident, swear."
 So, Salinas decided not to send anyone out until the next morning.  

Thus far, the sheriff is refusing to release the supporting witness
statements or other coroborrating documents (did he get the victim's
medical report with BAC and wound details?).

Police report:  http://tinyurl.com/ck8nw
Texas Parks and Wildlife report:  http://tinyurl.com/arex4

Other fun tidbits (some from the investigative reports, some not):

* Cheney blasted his victim with an Italian-made Perazzi Brescia, MSRP
$23,000 (what--American-made not good enough for the VP?)

* Cheney said in his interview with Fox that the bird he was after went
to his right, but the sheriff's report says Cheney spun to his left.

* Whittington refused the investigator's request to tape-record the
interview, saying his voice was "raspy". 

* After the 78-year-old man was seriously wounded, Secret Service called
for a helicopter to med-evac him to the nearest trauma center, but the
VP's doctors(?) overruled them, instead opting to send him via ambulance
to a small non-trauma hospital (a long ride over back country roads). 
Very shortly after arriving there, hospital personnel insisted on
sending Whittington via helicopter to the nearest trauma center, where
he eventually arrived more than 2-1/2 hours after being shot.


* 
happyboy
response 103 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:00 UTC 2006

he was drunk!
mary
response 104 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:08 UTC 2006

Of course this was an accident.  Duh.  And it can happen to even excellent 
hunters, who aren't drinking, are generally thought of as nice people.

I'm sorry this happened as it's seems to be distracting a whole lot of 
people from real issues.
edina
response 105 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:12 UTC 2006

Mary!!!  How dare you be a voice of reason!!!!
happyboy
response 106 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:24 UTC 2006

mary is drunk too hide the shotgun remmers!!!
nharmon
response 107 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:27 UTC 2006

I would just like to point out that the idea that this was "just an
accident" and that accidents like these go with the territory of bird
hunting is bullshit. I would also like to add that it is interesting how
the Whitehouse is blaming the victim, and shucking responsibility off of
Cheney. Fucking pricks. I bet the gun-control groups are sucking this up
too, after all it is their position that nobody can be trusted with guns.

But, I do find some solace in that the NRA is not playing the political
hypocricy game that the Whitehouse seems to be doing.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/13865078.htm:

  "The National Rifle Association places the onus of responsibility on 
  the person pulling the trigger rather than the recipient of the 
  gunshot.

  "If that was just a regular Joe Blow, they'd say it was carelessness," 
  said Peggy Bodner, executive vice president of the Association of New 
  Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, an affiliate of the NRA.

  Bodner compared an unintentional shooting to a motorist who rear-ends 
  another car. "It's like if you were in a car and struck somebody from 
  behind," she said. "Even if the other person stopped short, it's your 
  fault."

  Bird hunters work under challenging circumstances that require strict 
  adherence to rules to prevent errant fire. Birds flushed from the 
  underbrush take flight suddenly, and hunters must swing their guns and 
  fire in a split second. The typical protocol requires hunters to stay 
  abreast of one another and to fire only in a prescribed range ahead of 
  the line. If a bird leaves the agreed "field of fire," a responsible 
  hunter must let the bird escape."

I think the NRA should donate Cheney a voucher for a free hunters'
safety class.
marcvh
response 108 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:35 UTC 2006

I wonder if he will be invited to speak at their next annual meeting (again)?
happyboy
response 109 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:35 UTC 2006

the main witness was 100 years away
and her version differs from cheney's

get your stories straight!
happyboy
response 110 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:36 UTC 2006

er...100 yards away i meant
tod
response 111 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 17:50 UTC 2006

Cheney didn't need a field of fire.  He's a WAR vice PRESIDENT!  With
CO-PRESIDENT powers!
richard
response 112 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 22:47 UTC 2006

cheney probably wishes that if he had to shoot someone, it could have been
scooter libby
tod
response 113 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 22:49 UTC 2006

Cheney should be impeached on this, should he not?  He refuses to discuss it
at all with the public.
nharmon
response 114 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 23:22 UTC 2006

Impeached? No.
tod
response 115 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 23:42 UTC 2006

re #114
I'm referring to the Scooter Libby involvement/authorization toward Plame's
exposure.
bru
response 116 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 00:02 UTC 2006

ince again you see the liberal left trying to taint the situation.
cyklone
response 117 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 00:10 UTC 2006

How exactly do you taint lying about an important matter?
tod
response 118 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 00:12 UTC 2006

Explain the situation, Bruce. You mean the War on tERROR?

The White House said on October 29, 2003 that it had helped with the
production of a 'Mission Accomplished' banner as a backdrop for President
George W. Bush's speech onboard the USS Abraham Lincoln to declare combat
operations over in Iraq.  Asked if Bush had misled people by appearing in
front of the banner, McClellan said "the Navy put it up and it was the Navy
at the -- asked us to take care of the production of the banner. And we said
that yesterday."

This Administration has no accountability for any of its actions that involve
harming US citizens.  We get dragged into these wars on hearsay and
cherrypicked intelligence.  Then, lemmings like Bruce call all dissenters
"liberal left".  I guarantee my lifestyle is more conservative than Bruce's.
The big difference here is that I'm willing to engage political topics that
question the integrity and accountability of our elected officials.  Rather
than ever getting a decent rebuttal based on countering data, all I get is
"left wing" "liberal media" "enemy of freedom" "hate america" playground 2nd
grader dismissals.  

Right now, Scooter Libby is requesting a year's worth of classified info in
order to distort the prosecution by forcing a lengthy censorship of sensitive
information.  Cheney leaves his buddy Libby out to dry and keeps his mouth
slammed shut.  This Scooter guy that backstabs the CIA claims he was under
orders -- Dick Cheney is obviously whom he refers.  
marcvh
response 119 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 00:13 UTC 2006

You rub it against the section of skin between your scrotum and your anus.
nharmon
response 120 of 218: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 00:32 UTC 2006

I remember the "Mission Accomplished" banner, and always thought it
symbolized that the Carrier's mission was accomplished as it was on its
way home.
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