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Grex > Coop13 > #363: The Temporary Cross Root Incident Item | |
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tod
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response 90 of 128:
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Oct 2 03:30 UTC 2006 |
I think "discentive" was the clearest one word explanation. In a better
world, the Board of Directors would recognize these gentlemen and give them
a formal thank you up to and including a certificate of participation and
thanks as well as an annual membership at no cost. I don't think I'm out of
line at suggesting this.
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spooked
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response 91 of 128:
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Oct 2 03:45 UTC 2006 |
disincentive -- better?
Not sure what you mean in resp:90 Tod.
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tod
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response 92 of 128:
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Oct 2 03:55 UTC 2006 |
re #91
Well Mic, I'm referring to the recent events.
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spooked
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response 93 of 128:
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Oct 2 06:27 UTC 2006 |
I don't think any money or free bonus should be given.
It should and would be a pleasure working on staff if certain staffers
wouldn't spoil it for everyone - current and wannabes.
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tod
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response 94 of 128:
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Oct 2 16:57 UTC 2006 |
re #93
Mic, I think everyone interested in Grex would probably like to see staff
given a bit of recognition after volunteering for a period of time. I
understand its not what motivates a person to be on staff (or I would hope
that wouldn't be the case.)
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keesan
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response 95 of 128:
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Oct 2 18:17 UTC 2006 |
Would an apology from a certain staffer help to persuade a couple of other
staffers not to resign?
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tod
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response 96 of 128:
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Oct 2 19:07 UTC 2006 |
I think this is the sort of notable situation that requires Board involvement.
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cross
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response 97 of 128:
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Oct 2 19:30 UTC 2006 |
Two staff members resigning in a single day. Yeah, something is definitely
rotten in the state of grex.
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spooked
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response 98 of 128:
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Oct 3 22:06 UTC 2006 |
I feared an apology would be beyond the man - I said this way back.
It has proven correct.
Again, pompous - managerial smuck.
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mcnally
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response 99 of 128:
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Oct 3 23:31 UTC 2006 |
Although I think some things about the way staff works could
be changed to help encourage more participation from other
potential staff members and although I think the recent
incident could have been handled much better, I do not feel
personally offended by anything that happened and would not
be moved to reconsider by an apology when no offense was
offered me. Mic's entitled to feel differently, of course,
and I expect he does -- his situation is totally different..
As for my own reasons -- I promise I'll try to explain them
later, but right now my time is limited by circumstances in
my personal life (which is, itself, one of my major reasons.)
In the meantime I would appreciate it if people would not use
my departure from staff as an extra club to beat up on STeve
because although I disagree with him in some cases about how
the system should be managed (as is only natural -- different
people have different approaches..) my decision is not primarily
motivated by those differences of opinion.
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spooked
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response 100 of 128:
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Oct 4 00:02 UTC 2006 |
Well said Mike. Take your time, mate.
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cross
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response 101 of 128:
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Oct 4 00:22 UTC 2006 |
Fair enough.
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keesan
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response 102 of 128:
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Oct 4 04:03 UTC 2006 |
Spooked, if enough of us ask you nicely would you reconsider resigning?
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spooked
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response 103 of 128:
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Oct 4 05:09 UTC 2006 |
Thanks keesan...
All I want is an apology. I'm a very stubborn person - when I have been
treated poorly I don't ask much except for a 'sorry'.
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keesan
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response 104 of 128:
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Oct 4 15:05 UTC 2006 |
I can understand how you would be reluctant to continue working with someone
after being yelled at. Do you think an apology would make this sort of thing
less likely to happen again? Probably STeve was under some sort of stress
at the time, such as poor health, too much work, etc. Is it possible that
you were partly at fault and could apologize for that first? (I did not
really follow the whole case). Some people find it more difficult to
apologize.
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tod
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response 105 of 128:
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Oct 4 19:07 UTC 2006 |
I don't think spooked needs to apologize for trying to update Grex's anciently
obscure modules which had been hashed over in discussion in the garage
conference amply beforehand. STeve just flipped out because spooked had cross
(former staffer and considerably trustworthy) assisting with a root level
capability. The truth is that there needs to be some sort of formal process
to ensure other staff people are in the loop..and for that to happen (in a
timely fashion) then some people are just going to miss the boat. It was
assumed the garage conference was that venue but not according to STeve and
others.
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cross
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response 106 of 128:
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Oct 4 19:16 UTC 2006 |
It would seem that we assumed incorrectly. Okay.
Still, Steve's reaction and treatment of other parties could have been a
little friendlier. I don't think that people should have to crawl around
begging for apologies. If one cannot be had, and it was truly deserved then
that tells you something about the nature of grex's staff.
In this case, I do believe Mike deserves an apology. Even if Steve felt his
actions were justified, I still think he was unjustifably caustic with his
approach and subsequent lack of communication (though, to give the benefit
of the doubt, maybe the latter is just due to lack of time). Moreover,
apologizing for his demeanor wouldn't be invalidating his position, but
rather just acknowledging that other parties were offended. It would just
be saying, "Hey, I still think I was right, but sorry if the way I went
about it offended you...."
Probably, spooked resigning is a symptom of a larger problem (I haven't been
on staff for a few months, so I don't *really* know). But if that were the
case, instead of treating that symptom, one should look to treat the problem
itself.
Mike McNally said he had other reasons for resigning.
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tod
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response 107 of 128:
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Oct 4 19:58 UTC 2006 |
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike split from staff because everybody is
squabbling and his heart just isn't in it. I'm sure there are schedule
conflicts and other stuff, too..but I'm getting the vibe that something
positive needs to happen with staff soon up to and including some leadership
that isn't perceived as part of "the old guard."
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spooked
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response 108 of 128:
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Oct 4 20:48 UTC 2006 |
I would not be surprised either if that's a big factor for Mike.
Talking from how I feel personally...
I want to be in a team that works AS A TEAM! When it feels more like a
dictatorship - and, worse still, you are not respected and not given an
apology (as Dan has said, an apology does not necessarily suggest one
person was more right/wrong than anyone else) it is demoralising and
counterproductive.
I do not volunteer to staff for monetarily or status rewards!! I only ask
for some decency and that includes basic human respect.
I do not want to cause problems, and I do not believe I am radical -- or
am I missing something?
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spooked
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response 109 of 128:
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Oct 4 20:50 UTC 2006 |
eh, monetary
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tod
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response 110 of 128:
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Oct 4 20:54 UTC 2006 |
am I missing something?
I think you pretty much said it.
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cyklone
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response 111 of 128:
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Oct 4 23:25 UTC 2006 |
If this were a Disney movie, shouldn't this be the part where the grumpy
old junkyard owner takes pity on the poor little kid with the hard luck
life and teaches that kid everything he knows about the junk business?
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tod
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response 112 of 128:
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Oct 4 23:25 UTC 2006 |
This is the part where Ben Vereen teaches Kunte the chicken dance.
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spooked
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response 113 of 128:
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Oct 5 02:13 UTC 2006 |
I know all about a hard life. That's why I work when people sleep, so one
day I may rest easier. However, regardless of where I end up, I'm very
proud of the work I do and I enjoy it. And, I would never take a
managerial position - I prefer earning my money.
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naftee
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response 114 of 128:
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Oct 5 05:24 UTC 2006 |
i rather like sleeping through morning rush hour
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