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jadecat
response 9 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 21:41 UTC 2006

Heh...
jep
response 10 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 22:10 UTC 2006

Brooke, I know what both astrology and acupuncture are.  I regard them 
as being equivalent, though.  I regard them both as superstitions.  I 
have the same view of "herbal medicine", pyramid therapy, aroma 
therapy, and magic, and pretty much anything else which might be 
described as "New Age".
happyboy
response 11 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 22:21 UTC 2006

birchbark for headaches.  *herbal* medicine.

red wine for prevention of heart disease...sounds
homeopathic or somethin.

jep, tell your new daughter that it's just a placebo, quick...or
you are LYING to her.  it's like letting her believe in the 
easter bunny or the virgin birth!
happyboy
response 12 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 22:31 UTC 2006

sorry, i meant white willow bark, not birch.
scholar
response 13 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 22:31 UTC 2006

i'm the saddest person in the world.
happyboy
response 14 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 22:33 UTC 2006

actually birch as well.

hey, don't be sad!  have some delicious placebo!
happyboy
response 15 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 22:53 UTC 2006

" if it weren't for the pirin tablets..."


  *swoons*



  ---nathan lane
tod
response 16 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 23:14 UTC 2006

re #12
Too late! I already at the centipede instead of the millipede and now its
burrowout out my esophagus!!!  
happyboy
response 17 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 23:26 UTC 2006

cooell!
rcurl
response 18 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 23:38 UTC 2006

I would not choose "alternative medicine" for any health concern I had, 
but I did once test it. Our daughter kept getting painful warts on the 
bottom of her feet. I read up on this in the Merck Manual (for doctors) 
and it said that such warts were believed to have a psychological 
component. So, our daughter still being young and impressionable, I 
invented a "magic cure", which was the application of a *new* penny to a 
wart for exactly (timed) 60 seconds. This did cure the warts. I do not 
know, of course, whether the warts were about to go away anyway by 
themselves, or something psychological came into play.
tod
response 19 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 00:08 UTC 2006

Nor did your wife tell you that she bleached the bathroom floor and tub...
slynne
response 20 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 00:11 UTC 2006

I have a friend who has been studying herbal medicine. I know that there
are studies that show some of the things work beyond a placebo effect
but I also think in this particular friend's case, the placebo effect is
a big part of why these things work for her. Call it a combination of an
actual theraputic effect and a placebo effect. But they really do seem
to work for her. 

But some of the things she has suggested for me have worked for me in a
way. My favorite line from her when I called her and was really stressed
out and upset and wound up like nobody's business was "Quick! Get some
Chamomile tea. NOW!!! HURRY!!!" You know...Hurry up and calm down. Yeah
ok. But Chamomile tea does calm me down. And she made me this tea for
quitting smoking that is supposed to help with that. It is supposed to
help get the gunk out of the lungs or something. Well, I dont know if
the gunk is getting out of my lungs faster because of the tea or not but
it is pretty tasty and "what the heck"



tod
response 21 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 00:31 UTC 2006

Yea, I have this high maintenance chick friend that thinks Emergen-C from
Trader Joe's is the miracle cure for everything.  I'm cool with organic
stuff...like Tom's of Maine deodorant or something..but if I'm ailing from
something that seems serious then I'm not going to rely on D'Adamo's list of
bullshit vitamin concoctions.  If I'm going to go that route, I might as well
fork over my cash to Tommy Cruise and ask for a total E-Meter audit.
cyklone
response 22 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 02:33 UTC 2006

I used to pound the Emergen-C during my "better living through chemicals" 
phase. I also had warty growths on my knuckles from the octacosanol I was 
mainlining orally. The funny thing is, now that I take far fewer 
supplements, exercise more and eat better, I find myself healthier. Go 
figure.
slynne
response 23 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 02:50 UTC 2006

I have a friend whose kids really like Emergen-C but that is because of
all the sugar in it. I havent ever tried it myself but I will admit that
sometimes when I am sick and whiney, I take large doses of vitamin C
even though I know there isnt really any proof that it makes a cold go
away faster so I can understand the inclination to have something like
that around. It might not make my cold go away faster but it makes me
feel less helpless and it makes me feel better in the same way that soup
or tea does. 
rcurl
response 24 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 06:31 UTC 2006

A Nobel winner also thought magadoses of vitamin C would cure colds. A
controlled experiment has been done, and no significant effect was observed.

Re #19: we were already being scrupulously clean and sanitizing, and did not
change those procedures during my experiment. 
khamsun
response 25 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 12:05 UTC 2006

I don't trust much medical workers as a whole.I know that, according to
molecular density, homeopathic pills are just water.With acupuncture, you get
at least a needle in the skin...
That said, I got one positive experience.
I had developed an allergy to poplar's pollen years ago, and the easiest cure
was to take pills each spring.Much complicated and longer had been a
hyposensitization.As I was fed up with my doctor at the time, I switched into
another one, who was also specialized in acupuncture+homeopathy+osteopathy,
by coincidence.
--> important: I was living in France, and there to get allowed to work as
a physician you must be an accredited M.D.It's a safety: if you're interested
in some "alternative" therapy which scientifical/working status is
controversial, by being in the hands of a M.D. you're supposed to be safe.
Some M.D. are curious about investigating such "alternative" stuff, so they
can get this way guinea-pigs with the limitation that they are fully
accountable on the ethic and scientifical levels.
In short: if they don't cure you with "alternative" magic, they revert to
classical therapies, and if they don't cure you at least they will not kill
you (well, no more than by the traditional means...).
Ok, so she (my then new M.D + multidimensional chinese guru) got to destroy
my allergy in 1/2 year.Mixture of homeopathy, acupuncture and osteapathy.
Since then, never got I troubles with poplar's pollen.
Which made me think: if placebo effects do work so well, why the heck are they
not implemented more by regular M.D.s?
mary
response 26 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 14:05 UTC 2006

They are "implemented" by doctors, all the time.  Whenever a doctor 
prescribes an antibiotic for an viral infection and the patient goes home 
and starts feeling better within 24 hours, he or she has demonstrated the 
power of the placebo.  Of course, there is always the chance that the 
virus ran its course over that 24 hours.  But those writing the 
prescriptions know that simply giving patients a strong, expensive 
medicine that the patients expect to work, will work, most of the time.

In fact, how a doctor treats a common viral infection says a lot about
his or her concern for the patient's health as opposed to simply making
someone happy and getting them out of the office queue. 
slynne
response 27 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 14:35 UTC 2006

I was surprised when I went to see a doctor some time ago for a virus 
and he started to write me a Rx for an anti-biotic. I said, "do you 
think this isnt a viris?" He didnt answer but then asked me what I 
wanted I why I had come there. I said that I wanted something to make 
it easier to breathe so he prescribed me some pill that basically had a 
time release of an active ingredient in OTC cough syrup (that I cant 
spell) 

I have to say that I was not filled with confidence in that particular 
doctor. 
other
response 28 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 14:40 UTC 2006

I have exactly one experience with chiropracty.  I went to this fellow
whom I already knew and considered to be a very down-to-earth sort (if
the personality of his daughter was to be any measure, it only spoke
good things of him).  I've had lower back problms ever since middle
school when I damaged my spine in a gym class accident, although the
damage was unsuspected at the time.

Anyway, the chiroprator gave me an adjustment which made me feel better,
which was fine, but the best part is that using a model spine he had
lying around, he explained in detail what the exact nature of the damage
was.  This was the first time in my life (which includes a number of
emergency room visits due to my back going out at odd times and places)
that anyone had ever explained exactly what was wrong, or even attempted
it.  Not only that, but his explanation was confirmed in every respect
by an MRI some months later.
remmers
response 29 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 14:59 UTC 2006

There are MD's who will take the time to explain what's wrong, e.g. the
specialist I was referred to for lower back problems a few years ago. 
He even used a model spine to illustrate.
mary
response 30 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 15:56 UTC 2006

I think your back doctor is exceptional in this regard.  I mean, isn't he 
the one who when a number of his patients reported they were going to 
Contours Express (a Curves clone) he took the time to visit the facility 
and check out their exercise equipment and routines?  That's simply 
amazing.
klg
response 31 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 17:28 UTC 2006

A recent newspaper article claimed that - in this area at least - 
doctors' offices are less busy.  Perhaps they are having to pay more 
attention to making the customer happy.
keesan
response 32 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 18:34 UTC 2006

I can understand how it would help you quit smoking if instead of lighting
a cigarette you made and drank a cup of tea, no matter what was in it.
happyboy
response 33 of 76: Mark Unseen   Mar 16 19:14 UTC 2006

is the pain back yet, jep?
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