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sj2
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response 9 of 50:
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Dec 12 08:31 UTC 2003 |
Russia already refused to forgive the $8 billion loan after the Bush
administration announced the exclusion. So much for helping KBR and
Iraq.
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bhoward
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response 10 of 50:
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Dec 12 12:54 UTC 2003 |
8 billion is a lot of money, particularly for Russia. It would have
take a decently sized piece of the action in Iraq to compensate that.
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remmers
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response 11 of 50:
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Dec 12 15:22 UTC 2003 |
Re #8: Right, what a bunch of klutzes.
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other
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response 12 of 50:
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Dec 12 15:49 UTC 2003 |
Well, when you have no subtlety, all your tools begin to look a lot
like weapons you can use.
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gull
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response 13 of 50:
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Dec 12 15:52 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:8: Yeah, even I was amazed by the diplomatic tone-deafness being
demonstrated by the Bush administration. You'd think they'd at least
have had the sense to ask for loan forgiveness *before* slapping
everyone in the face...
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klg
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response 14 of 50:
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Dec 12 17:32 UTC 2003 |
You may wish to consider that there is a significant school of thought
which holds that the new government of Iraq is not required to abide by
the terms of agreements (such as loans) which were made by the deposed
government. We are sure that a large consideration that went into the
loan negotiations was risk inherent in being repaid, should the
despotic regime be deposed. The lenders ought not be shocked if they
do not receive repayment. (And they ought to have realized that being
on the wrong side of the war would not have helped, either!)
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klg
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response 15 of 50:
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Dec 12 17:38 UTC 2003 |
(You lefties oufht to note that opposition to the war was not a
necessary condition to being excluded from the general contractor list -
-- Israel is not on it.)
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gull
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response 16 of 50:
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Dec 12 18:47 UTC 2003 |
Canada, however, is excluded, in spite of the fact that they've made
substantial contributions to the rebuilding process and had been assured
they wouldn't be excluded.
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tod
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response 17 of 50:
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Dec 12 18:48 UTC 2003 |
This response has been erased.
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happyboy
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response 18 of 50:
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Dec 12 20:03 UTC 2003 |
what a horrible place!!!
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mcnally
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response 19 of 50:
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Dec 12 22:17 UTC 2003 |
re #17: which is ironic, since they probably invented beer in
(what is now) Iraq..
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happyboy
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response 20 of 50:
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Dec 13 03:09 UTC 2003 |
they probably *invented* it in south america too...and lots of
other places.
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bru
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response 21 of 50:
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Dec 13 04:17 UTC 2003 |
We had an interesting talk about beer today, how it originated, where it
originated, asnd the concensus was Iraq. Of course it may have been created
independently at other places and times.
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willcome
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response 22 of 50:
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Dec 13 04:32 UTC 2003 |
(they drink beer in Iraq)
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russ
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response 23 of 50:
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Dec 13 05:31 UTC 2003 |
Re #14: The term of art is "odious debts".
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lk
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response 24 of 50:
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Dec 13 08:12 UTC 2003 |
01:16 Saudi U.S. envoy: protest of restriction of reconstruction contracts
by countries opposed to Iraq war is `chutzpah`
00:31 Bush says hopes opponents of Iraq war - France, Germany, Russia will
help Iraqi people by wiping former regime`s debts
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sj2
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response 25 of 50:
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Dec 13 16:32 UTC 2003 |
Hehehehe .... yeah sure.
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rcurl
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response 26 of 50:
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Dec 13 18:38 UTC 2003 |
And France, Germany and Russia can say that it would help them to erase
Iraq's debts if they could win some reconstruction contracts....
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khamsun
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response 27 of 50:
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Dec 13 18:58 UTC 2003 |
Re 17-22:
damn! I realize now that "Bush" is a trade name for a beer !
I'm now in Flanders, drinking X-mas Bush beer, an ale of Dubuisson
brewery in Belgium (no connections with that sort of tasteless Bush
liquid from the us...). Belgian beer rules!
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krj
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response 28 of 50:
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Dec 13 20:59 UTC 2003 |
Re: beer in Iraq :: actually I might expect that beer was available
in Iraq, at least up to the first Gulf War. Saddam ran a secular
state, only turning to Islam as a rallying point in that war, and
Iraq has a Christian population who were not bound by religious
restrictions on alcohol. I don't have any direct knowledge, though.
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tpryan
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response 29 of 50:
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Dec 13 21:23 UTC 2003 |
Look at what was saved:
Party in power business as usual would be to keep the
awards secret, let few in on the bids anyway. Wait for the
invesitagtion, the secret tapes turn their faces red. Truth
might get out anyway.
Seems like a deal to me.
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lk
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response 30 of 50:
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Dec 14 07:27 UTC 2003 |
So I'm guessing that the Bush team is using the contracts as a
negotiating chip. Some debts will be forgiven, some contracts
will be awarded....
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twenex
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response 31 of 50:
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Dec 14 15:18 UTC 2003 |
Ken - Yes, Iraq was sa secular *state*, but the majority of people are
Muslim. Most European countries are secular (as indeed is the US), but
in all those countries Christian religious festivals form the backbone
of the festive season(s). I should imagine that the same would happen
in a secular Iraq, whether ruled by Saddam or run democratically (if
that'll ever happen).
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sj2
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response 32 of 50:
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Dec 14 15:38 UTC 2003 |
Count out Saddamm now ;)
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gull
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response 33 of 50:
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Dec 14 16:18 UTC 2003 |
Yup, he was found cowering in a hole in the ground. Good riddance.
Hopefully this will take some of the punch out of the opposition.
Now, if we could just capture Osama (anyone remember him?) we'd really
have something...
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