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keesan
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response 89 of 526:
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Feb 17 01:24 UTC 2006 |
If medical exams and prescriptions were free, people would not care if it were
over the counter or prescription. Lots of people can't come up with $200 for
an exam.
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nharmon
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response 90 of 526:
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Feb 17 03:49 UTC 2006 |
$200? Your doctor charges $200 for a visit?
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gull
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response 91 of 526:
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Feb 17 04:01 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:38: If someone has religious problems with dispensing some
medications, maybe they shouldn't be a pharmacist, any more than someone
with religious problems with charging interest on loans should be a
banker. It's a pharmacist's *job* to dispense drugs, not to dispense
religious lectures. The end result of passing laws that say otherwise
would be to make medications like birth control completely unavailable
in some highly religious parts of the country -- which is, of course,
the goal of people pushing those laws.
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tod
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response 92 of 526:
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Feb 17 05:24 UTC 2006 |
re #90
I'm sure my doc charges more than that since he checks out my heart with the
funky wires, etc
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rcurl
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response 93 of 526:
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Feb 17 08:07 UTC 2006 |
The FDA committee in charge of deciding whether the Morning After Pill could
be sold OTC came out almost unanimously in favor of doing so - but then a
Republican political appointee in the FDA refused to permit it. The problem
wasn't with the pill, it was with the politics.
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klg
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response 94 of 526:
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Feb 17 12:05 UTC 2006 |
What if the "problems" with dispensing some medications is
not "religious?"
Why cannot people of certain beliefs have the freedom to choose their
occupations? (I thought this was the United States.) Should the
government assign people to occupations?
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keesan
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response 95 of 526:
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Feb 17 13:24 UTC 2006 |
Annual physical exam - $188, plus $50 if you are a new patient. For this we
both talked to him for 45 minutes and he checked my lymph nodes and prescribed
a few minor tests that we asked for (but forgot to bill one as preventive
rather than diagnostic so we are still phoning back and forth about fixing
it). The insurance pays 80% of preventive but nothing for diagnostic, and
it also has an arrangement with the hospital for a 45% discount on doctor's
services. Someone without insurance would be billed $188 (plus maybe $50).
I bet a lot of people would take their chances on the side effects of a
morning-after pill rather than pay $200 for a doctor's visit.
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cyklone
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response 96 of 526:
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Feb 17 14:12 UTC 2006 |
I'm looking forward to the logical result of kludgie's position, where a
police officer can refuse to apprehend a suspect on the grounds the
officer's religion doesn't permit violence against others. Thus, requiring
the officer to do so would violate his religious beliefs.
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jep
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response 97 of 526:
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Feb 17 15:40 UTC 2006 |
re resp:91: It is not a pharmacist's job to just dispense pills on
request, like a vending machine. A pharmacist is a medical
professional with a doctor's degree. As you describe the position, a
high school dropout could do it as well as anyone.
I understand what you're saying, of course. I'd probably find it
irksome if a pharmacist had ethical objections to something I wanted
and/or needed. However, I'd probably also take steps to not depend on
a pharmacist like that, by making sure I could get to another pharmacy,
or not putting myself in the position to need what that particular
pharmacist refuses to provide.
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marcvh
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response 98 of 526:
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Feb 17 15:51 UTC 2006 |
"Not putting myself in the position to need what that particular
pharmacist refuses to provide"? So I guess that before you hang a
picture, you call the local pharmacy to make sure they don't have any
moral objections to dispensing the pain medications and antibiotics you
could conceivably need if a mishap should occur?
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edina
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response 99 of 526:
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Feb 17 16:13 UTC 2006 |
There goes Richard again, putting words in peoples' mouths, trolling.
Well Richard, if you don't feel women should have a gynecological exam before
being prescribed BCP, you MUST be in favor of them getting ovarian/cervical
cancer, being untreated for possible STDs that could possibly affect future
fertility, and being left in the dark about the possibility of being educated
about their own body.
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jep
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response 100 of 526:
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Feb 17 17:00 UTC 2006 |
re resp:98: If you'll point out a pharmacy which doesn't fill
prescriptions for such things, let me know about it and I'll address
that issue.
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marcvh
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response 101 of 526:
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Feb 17 17:19 UTC 2006 |
So, in other words, you just assume that you can get it. The same way
that a woman who has sex assumes that, if the condom bursts, she will
be able to get emergency contraception. Sounds fine to me.
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klg
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response 102 of 526:
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Feb 17 17:19 UTC 2006 |
(A pharmacist does not necessarily need a doctoral degree. In the
recent past, a relative (on my wife's side) who died had been a
pharmacist. He got his training in high school.)
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edina
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response 103 of 526:
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Feb 17 17:29 UTC 2006 |
I think the standards have changed a bit.
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richard
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response 104 of 526:
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Feb 17 17:30 UTC 2006 |
re #99 I never said women shouldn't have gynecological exams...sheesh
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edina
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response 105 of 526:
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Feb 17 17:33 UTC 2006 |
Well I never said that all OTC meds should need a prescription. See? isnt'
it fun to have words put in your mouth?
You have been missing my point - BCP come with those exams - women need those
exams. Making them OTC means crucial diagnostic tests will drop off...it's
not perfect, but it's better than the alternative.
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mary
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response 106 of 526:
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Feb 17 18:07 UTC 2006 |
Although there are risks associated with using birth control pills and
patches, I'd still rather see them sold OTC. The population using them
tends to be young and healthy and there are risks associated with unwanted
pregnancy. I'd err on the side of giving women full control of their
reproductive rights by supplyihg them with clear and accurate information
and easy access to birth control medications. I'd start by assuming they
are able to make good decisions regarding their own health.
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rcurl
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response 107 of 526:
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Feb 17 19:28 UTC 2006 |
Re #102: the PharmBS has been phased out and replaced by the PharmD
("doctorate").
Re #97: jep writes "A pharmacist is a medical professional with a doctor's
degree."
Don't conclude, however, that a pharmacy "doctor's degree" bears any
equivalence to a medical doctor's degree. You can get a Doctor of Pharmacy
degree online.
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/university-florida/pharmacy-doctorate-degree.
htm
Caveat emptor.
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tod
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response 108 of 526:
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Feb 17 19:40 UTC 2006 |
Trust Your Mechanic
or in this case pharmacist
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klg
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response 109 of 526:
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Feb 17 20:15 UTC 2006 |
Curl may be correct. However, those pharmacists who were already
licensed weren't re-degreed.
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richard
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response 110 of 526:
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Feb 17 22:14 UTC 2006 |
we'll just keep having more and more people going to mexico buy drugs otc and
cheaper there
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keesan
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response 111 of 526:
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Feb 17 22:37 UTC 2006 |
If someone has to come up with the money for a gynecological exam before being
allowed to spend $5 on birth control pills, they are more likely to not get
them. We don't need OTC pills as much as free exams and prescriptions.
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tod
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response 112 of 526:
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Feb 17 22:38 UTC 2006 |
Casualties of christian capitalism...
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happyboy
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response 113 of 526:
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Feb 18 01:40 UTC 2006 |
"jesus tolt me that he don't want me tew sell yew no
pussypills."
james "handmaid's tale" dobson
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