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dcat
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response 89 of 150:
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Jul 27 02:49 UTC 2003 |
It's not the fact that you're a stick in the mud that bothers me. It's not
even the fact that you're so *offensively* stuck that bothers me. It's the
fact that you don't seem to care about how much you offend, the fact that
you'd rather say "okay! i offend people! but guess what? i don't give a
shit!" than try to learn why you are offensive and maybe even become less so.
The fact that you may be "middle of the road" does not mean anything, beyond
the fact that the rest of society are bigots, too.
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keesan
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response 90 of 150:
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Jul 27 03:59 UTC 2003 |
Bruce, in case it is not yet clear, what is offending people is your statement
about being sorry to hear someone is bisexual. It's like being sorry to hear
they are missing one leg. Why do you have to be sorry, and if you are, why
do you have to say so?
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rcurl
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response 91 of 150:
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Jul 27 07:07 UTC 2003 |
I'm sorry that bru can't just accept people as they are, without passing
judgements (as long as they are decent law-abiding individuals).
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twenex
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response 92 of 150:
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Jul 27 12:53 UTC 2003 |
Re responses #86 and #87-91. thanks
Y'all will notice I haven't contributed much to this thread lately. This is
because I find such arguments boring and pointless.
I am also *deeply* offended by the suggestion that something that should be
private, between two consulting adults, can or even should be banned. We
aren't talking child abuse here people; we aren't talking rape, male rape or
sheep shagging.
I suspect that I would feel this way even if i were not bisexual, because it
is only recently that i have been able to admit this to my self. It is
probably also because I like to stick up for people who are underprivileged,
which probably has a lot to do with being in (quite a few) minority groups
myself - sexually, politically, physically, and in terms of my interests (i'm
sure a lot of us can relate to that one!).
What people who are against homosexuality forgt is that in several periods
in history, homesexuality has been respected and even revered; attitudes to
homosexuality, as with everything else, change and while i have no right to
insist that people be ok with homosexuality, i'm not going to back down
because it offends them. I don't insist on doing it in their presence, i don't
ask them to be willing 'victims'. I *do* insist that i be allowed to live my
life the way i wish to live it. If the gay lobby were insisting that straight
people were somehow weird and that heterosexuality should be banned, (a) i
would have a problem with that and (b) Bruce and his 'compatriots' would have
something to whinge about in my eyes as well as his own. It is interesting
that those who insist on people living their lives a certain way are often
those who get uppity about things like "personal freedoms" or, in Europe
"national sovereignty". They don't seem to have a problem with other people
being told to live their lives a certain way.
I despise this mindset. I have a right to despise it. It's the kind of
mindset that visited the Inquisition on Spain, Fascism on Europe and cultural
imperialism on the world.
It's the One Ring to Rule them All mentality. And it stinks.
Bru says that he:
Does not deny homosexuals the right to vote;
Does not deny them the right to own property;
Does not deny them the right to free association;
Does not deny them the right to a job of their own choosing.
But who is to say he would not *like* to do this? Because this *just* the kind
of thing that happens when a country is ruled soley by fascist bigoted
arseholes like him. That is why we have democracy and free speech, Bruce, not
so that jurassic tyrannosaurs like you, who think that being in a position
of authority gives them a right to act like Himmler and impose your views on
everyone else, can drone on incessantly about how x y and z are evil and wrong
(and you'd better invent a few more etters of the alphabet too, because 26
is *way* too few to categorize all their hangups with).
I'm not particularly interested in whether you think I'm abnormal. I have had
this all my life, for one reason or another, so it's a case of get used to
it or let it upset you every time. And if I did that, I probably wouldn't be
alive anymore.
I don't necessarily want you to be all comfortable with the idea. It is of
no consequence to me whether you are or not.
Because the truth is, we who just try and live our lives without hurting
anyone and try (not always successfully) to let people live as they want to
live are as sick and tired of you moralistic, small-minded, reactionary,
socially-restricted, jingoistic fascist bitches as you are of us. The
diference being, I know of no liberal, democratic state that has ever tried
to wipe any of *you* out. So take your opinions, Mr I'm Such A BigWig Because
I'm A Customs Inspector
Ooh-What-A-Big-Firearm-You-'ve-Got-All-The-Better-To-Shoot-You-With-Foreign-Li
beral-Faggot and stick them somewhere. Your arse would be a good place.
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happyboy
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response 93 of 150:
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Jul 27 18:16 UTC 2003 |
rotflmao!
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tod
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response 94 of 150:
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Jul 27 18:48 UTC 2003 |
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twenex
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response 95 of 150:
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Jul 27 19:21 UTC 2003 |
Errata - 88 to 91, not 87; i don't believe jaklumen is a bigot, so sorry for
the confusion.
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jaklumen
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response 96 of 150:
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Jul 27 20:57 UTC 2003 |
I appreciate it. I've been there, and to an extent, I am still
there. I need not deny how I feel, although I have made a rather
different decision about it.
resp:88 'middle of the road'? Don't insult me. I consider myself
fairly moderate; much consideration finds me at that position there
again and again. If you're going to whine about 'conservatism vs.
liberalism,' particularly how liberals repress conservatives, then I
hardly believe you a moderate. Stop fronting.
(If you were *really* middle of the road, you'd be bored of the left-
wing and right-wing arguments, wondering why everyone has to polarize
the hell out of everything. You're not fooling anyone.)
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bru
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response 97 of 150:
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Jul 28 02:39 UTC 2003 |
well, you see I am tired of th polarization.
I am tired of lilly livered limosine liberals yelling about the rich
conservatives spending money to support conservative causes while they swill
their champagne and toot their own hoern about how they care more about the
common man thatn any conservative ever could.
I am tired of gay and lesbians rubbing their sexuality in my face by having
marches and gay pride days and exposing genitalia out in front of God and
everybody while they troll the back alleys adn gay bath houses for fresh meat
while claiming all they want is a chance to get married.
I a tired of heterosexuals who see nothing wrong with posing in all kinds of
sexualy explicit positions so they can make a little money of their
pornography before going to the local dope den to get something to get them
high so they can forget what they just did for the last 12 hours.
I am tired of people exploiting children for their own sexual enjoyment, and
claiming that children as young as 2 should be able to experience the joy of
sexual contact and that it does no harm to these children.
I am tired of people who claim to have all the evidence in the world that pot
doesn't hurt you, and then having to talk to emergency personel who have to
clean up the mess when someone whacked on weed, alcohol, or some other drug
they feel should be safe when used responsibly.
I am tired of professors claiming to be open minded banning conservative ideas
becasue they don't want that Fascist crap in their class room.
I am tired of being insulted because I do not agree with everything liberals
think and say.
You ahve got to understand there is a whole wide world out there that does
not agree with everything liberal, or everything conservative, or everything
anything.
And claiming to be open minded while telling me to shut up just does not make
any sense to me.
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keesan
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response 98 of 150:
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Jul 28 03:18 UTC 2003 |
Bruce, let me know where to find God so I can parade around naked in front
of him/her.
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rcurl
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response 99 of 150:
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Jul 28 06:51 UTC 2003 |
I thought gods could see through clothes.
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happyboy
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response 100 of 150:
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Jul 28 08:10 UTC 2003 |
they're prolly pretty bored by now.
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keesan
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response 101 of 150:
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Jul 28 13:13 UTC 2003 |
Did God make homosexuals?
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novomit
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response 102 of 150:
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Jul 28 13:21 UTC 2003 |
Did homosexuals make god?
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cross
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response 103 of 150:
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Jul 28 13:58 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 104 of 150:
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Jul 28 14:46 UTC 2003 |
Bru offends, and he doesn't apologise for that. Yet, he's offended by
that whole list of things, and expects people to change
Respect works both ways Bruce.
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slynne
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response 105 of 150:
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Jul 28 15:01 UTC 2003 |
re Resp:97 - Gosh where to start...
1) So you think that it is only ok for rich people to have opinions if
they are conservative opinions? You dont think it is possible for rich
people to care about poor people or for our society as a whole?
2) Imagine how many gay and lesbians feel when people rub their
heterosexuality in *their* faces. You probably do that all the time.
Anyhow, fwiw, I have never seen any gay people exposing their genitals
in public but I probably dont frequent the same back alleys and gay
bathhouses as you do.
3) You dont read porn? Please. I could have sword I have heard you make
references to Playboy. Maybe I am mistaken.
4) I know. Child sexual abuse is a big problem. Most liberals will
agree with that. A lot of republicans fuck their kids, btw. This isnt a
problem related to political beliefs.
5) Alcohol is dangerous. There are also dangers associated with pot. It
is however *less* dangerous than alcohol. For one thing, no one has
ever overdosed on pot or at least I have not been able to find a
documented case of that happening. Anyhow, it should be legal as should
most recreational drugs. I always find it interesting that republicans
like to go on about how government needs to stay out of our lives. "We
need a free market. We need lower taxes. Etc." Yet, they feel it is
somehow important to keep a person from sitting on their living room
couch and smoking a doobie.
6) Well, fwiw, I have had a few very conservative professors in my time
too. Also, none of them have ever not allowed me to express my views in
class (assuming that my views were relevant to the subject being
taught, of course).
7) I am sorry that you feel insulted but in a karmic sense, I think you
have it coming. You come online and insult others all the time. Fair's
fair. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. I think
your problem is that you typically dish out arguments that are not
thought out well, have huge holes in them and then you get mad when
people shoot them down.
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tod
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response 106 of 150:
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Jul 28 16:29 UTC 2003 |
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slynne
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response 107 of 150:
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Jul 28 16:47 UTC 2003 |
Yeah. I know straight guys who have good taste!
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happyboy
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response 108 of 150:
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Jul 28 16:57 UTC 2003 |
/bows and scratches his hairy beerbelly!
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edina
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response 109 of 150:
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Jul 28 16:58 UTC 2003 |
Actually, Tod, I'd disagree on QEFTSG. Sure, Carson is a prototypical swishy
queen - but he'd admit to that. The other guys are pretty much just guys.
Kinda like if you get a group of girls in the room. They're just the gay,
infinitely more talented Spice Girls.
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tod
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response 110 of 150:
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Jul 28 17:31 UTC 2003 |
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slynne
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response 111 of 150:
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Jul 28 17:39 UTC 2003 |
tod is right. even though it is a *positive* stereotype, it is still a
stereotype. As someone recently pointed out to me, one wouldnt put a
show on TV called "Black Dudes teach White Guys Basketball" or "Jews
Teach Accounting" or "Asian Guide to Getting Good Grades".
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mynxcat
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response 112 of 150:
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Jul 28 17:51 UTC 2003 |
I did read an article about how Americans had something to learn from
Asians when it came to preparing for exams and getting good grades.
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tod
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response 113 of 150:
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Jul 28 17:58 UTC 2003 |
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