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rcurl
response 88 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 16:52 UTC 2006

Well said. Even potential disasters that would be pretty well resticted to 
one state, such as earthquakes in California, have enormous national 
repercusions, and for that reason deserve enormous national attention. 
They cannot be solely, or even primrily, the responsibility of the State.
nharmon
response 89 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 17:12 UTC 2006

Well, we can't have it both ways. If the Federal Government has the
responsibility to respond to disasters, then they have the authority to
step in and say "local emergency manager is relieved, we're taking
over". I have no problem with this, do you?
tod
response 90 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 17:13 UTC 2006

re #87
 I dare say that none of us is adquately informed to
 really know the compound complexities of the failure.
Reservists on standby as they have always been during major hurricane disaster
threats when the state of emergency calls go out from state levels? 
FEMA/DHS's response: MAJOR lag time (24 hours +)
Timeline of FEMA: very obvious Brown was out to lunch for the
first 24 hours.  Lousiana's reserves requested 700 buses and received 100..
Why is that?  Federal easily could have brought in 7ton or 5ton trucks(which
happened eventually) to substitute as buses.

Here's a clip:
"in Washington, D.C., that Sunday morning, Michael Chertoff, the US secretary
of homeland security, and Michael D. Brown, director of the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, were receiving electronic briefings from the National
Weather Service on the possibility of a levee break in the city. Despite the
catastrophic implications, it would take more than a day for Brown to move
to bring FEMA personnel into the region."

"Every forecast from the National Hurricane Center, beginning 56 hours before
the storm struck, had predicted that the hurricane would come ashore at
Category 4 intensity or greater and that it would then pass over or near New
Orleans and the Louisiana-Mississippi border."

There were no compound complexities.  Hurricanes are nothing new.  FEMA
has responded in the past with haste.  This time its big news because FEMA
dropped the ball and people died in horror. 
rcurl
response 91 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 18:00 UTC 2006

Re #89: you *must* have it both ways. There are local resources and
authorities to coordinate with national resources and authorities. It is a
question  of balancing these for the most timely and effective response.
nharmon
response 92 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 18:32 UTC 2006

Both ways meant that the local authorities maintained control over
federal resources. Which would not work.
rcurl
response 93 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 18:51 UTC 2006

Not at all. Local authorities can allocate resources provided by federal
sources, or request direct assistance from federal sources. You persist in
making everything only A or B but not A and B, or A given B. That does not
optimize the allocation of resources and authority between national and local
responsibilities.
nharmon
response 94 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 18:54 UTC 2006

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nharmon
response 95 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 18:55 UTC 2006

Thats fine. You can say the local auhorities, while not able to fully
sustain the recovery effort of the disaster, are still the ones who
manage it. But you can't at the same time blame the Federal government
for not sending in help, when the local authorities told them to hold off.

tod
response 96 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 19:08 UTC 2006

700 buses were requested.  When did they show up?
rcurl
response 97 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 19:12 UTC 2006

The response to Katrina was mismanaged by both the federal and state 
governments. That does not mean that they SHOULD NOT have managed the 
response collectively under established guidelines for the resources and 
mechanisms provided by each.
tod
response 98 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 19:22 UTC 2006

Agreed
bru
response 99 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 20:23 UTC 2006

they were also mismanaged by the city, who Failed to follow their own
edtablished emergency plan.  Yhings like not assigning drivers to the several
hundred school buses and city buses left to get flooded, not co-ordinating
with the neighboring Parish Sheriff to allow refugees to walk out across the
bridge, ordering the entire police force OUT of the city leaving the citizens
to fend for themselves,...etc.

And the federal government Failed in several key areas to co-ordinate with
the local authotities.  They failed to allow the Red Cross to move in with
food, water, adn emergency supplies for 48 hours while they tried to gain
control of a lawless city. Mostly, they failed to have the facilities to
communicate with the various agencies, to make the various radios communicate
with each other.  They still have not leaarned the lessons of 9/11.

But there were sucesses as well.  Read the article in this months Popular
mechanics about the massive federal response that saved thousands from
rooftops, the hundreds of boats that were brought in and saved people stranded
in their homes.

Now, why have the OTHER states devestated by Katrina NOT failed in their
emergency plan?   Because they FOLLOWED their emergency plan.  They lost
property and people as well, though not in as confined an area.  The LOCAL
people responded and helped their neighbors.

Once again, make sure YOU have teh facilities to help yourself should an
emergency hit yoou in your neighborhood.
tod
response 100 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 20:32 UTC 2006

Yea, keep a hot air balloon handy if you live on a liquifaction zone prone
to earthquakes.  *snort*
gull
response 101 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 07:20 UTC 2006

Re resp:62: I realize I'm fighting some serious drift here, but whether 
she's "full of shit" or not isn't the point.  The question is, is it 
sedition to write what she did? 
 
I feel lately like we're headed toward a North Korea-style cult of 
personality, where the "dear leader" is synonymous with the country and 
to criticize him is to be viewed as dangerous and unpatriotic. 
other
response 102 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 11:19 UTC 2006

She's technically on the border of seditions, since her wourds could
legitimately be interpreted as an incitement to violent rebellion, even
if that is an unlikely interpretation.  The point is that she should
have chosen her words less ambiguously.
mcnally
response 103 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 17:34 UTC 2006

Right.  She should have been "subtle" like former Senator Jesse Helms
was when he suggested then-President Clinton not visit a military base
in North Carolina because his safety couldn't be guaranteed..  But it
is good practice to choose your words carefully.

re #101:  Given how strongly critical a large segment of the population
is, I doubt we're headed any further towards the scenario you suggest.
However, as long as the "unpatriotic" smear works even to a limited
extent against critics of the government it will continue to be employed
by this administration.
klg
response 104 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 17:54 UTC 2006

Yeah, right.  As if you could cite one instance of where the Bush 
administration has called anyone unpatriotic.
happyboy
response 105 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 18:01 UTC 2006

directly, or in his weasle-face rovian manner?

he has no balls.
tod
response 106 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 18:17 UTC 2006

re #104
White House spokesman Scott McClellan compared retired Marine Colonel John
Murtha of Pennsylvania to the lefty filmmaker Michael Moore after Murtha
suggested a six-month timetable pulling troops out of Iraq.

"What we're hearing now is some politicians contradicting their own statements
and making a play for political advantage in the middle of a war," Cheney
said. "The saddest part is that our people in uniform have been subjected to
these cynical and pernicious falsehoods day in and day out."

"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their
memory, or their backbone. But we're not going to sit by and let them rewrite
history. We're going to continue throwing their own words back at them." 

When asked about Cheney's criticism, Murtha, a combat veteran, said: "I like 
guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war 
and then don't like suggestions about what needs to be done." Murtha was 
referring to the fact that Cheney, who had "other priorities" than fighting 
for his country, sought and received five deferments during the Vietnam War.

Then it dawned on the White House that, with the president's approval 
ratings in the cellar, perhaps it was not a good idea to launch 
personal attacks on such a man as Murtha, who has spent his 
congressional career backing and helping the military.

So, overnight, the rhetoric changed. From Bush in Asia to Cheney in 
Washington, Murtha became an honorable American -- misguided, perhaps, 
but no longer a coward or someone who wanted to have terrorists harm 
Americans. 

happyboy
response 107 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 18:46 UTC 2006

five deferments.  :)


tod
response 108 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 18:48 UTC 2006

"I went hunting in Texas and all I got was these lousy freckles"
happyboy
response 109 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 19:13 UTC 2006

/shoots tea outta nose
tod
response 110 of 112: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 19:27 UTC 2006

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rcurl
response 111 of 112: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 17:08 UTC 2006

ACLU Online:  March 3, 2006
The e-newsletter of the American Civil Liberties Union
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In this Issue:

-- As Patriot Act Fight Continues Americans Reject Expansive Presidential 
   Powers
-- Civil Liberties and Two Oscar Nominated Films 
-- U.S. Supreme Court Agrees to Review Federal Abortion Ban Ruling 
-- New Documents Provide Further Evidence That Senior Officials Approved 
   Abuse of Prisoners at Guantnamo
-- New Coalition Website Fights Government-Funded Religious Discrimination 
-- In the States:
   * Montana County Library Steps Up for ACLU Freedom Files After State 
     Library Folds Under Pressure
   * The ACLU Freedom Files on "Voting Rights" 
   * Police Chief Who Blocked Life-Saving Measures for Gay Heart Attack 
   Victim Sued

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AS PATRIOT ACT FIGHT CONTINUES AMERICANS REJECT EXPANSIVE PRESIDENTIAL POWERS 

The Senate voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act this week, failing to 
include common sense reforms to bring that law in line with the 
Constitution by restoring checks and balances and ensuring the protection 
of the fundamental freedoms and privacy of all Americans. The House is 
expected to adopt a bill next week to amend the Patriot Act 
reauthorization bill conference report it passed last December.

The ACLU applauds the efforts of those Senators who sought to include 
much-needed reforms in the Patriot Act reauthorization bill and stood firm 
in their commitment to protect our freedoms.

All this takes places as Americans across the political spectrum express 
increasing concern about the reckless policies of President Bush and his 
Administration. A new poll of over 1000 Americans shows that a majority 
reject the President's illegal program of warrantless domestic 
surveillance, and doubt that he acted within the bounds of the law.

The American people reject the White House's assertion that the President 
has the authority to act outside of the law whenever and however he deems 
necessary. We've posted results and selected questions from the survey 
online so you can give your own opinions and see how they compare to our 
nationwide poll of voters across the political spectrum.

Thanks to your efforts, the Patriot Act reauthorization process has been a 
debate over fundamental freedoms, not the quick rubber-stamp the White 
House hoped for last spring, and real momentum for reform is still alive 
in Congress.

The fight to reform the Patriot Act is far from over, as Congress is 
planning hearings to investigate the massive increase in National Security 
Letter (NSL) record requests, an issue the ACLU continues to fight, and 
win on, in the federal courts. But the fact is, until the Bush 
Administration chooses the rule of law over its pattern of abuses of 
power, any new reforms may simply go ignored under this President's 
extreme views of unlimited executive authority.

Your active involvement will help us continue to make a difference in the 
fight.

See the faces of surveillance here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=sX7J3bCyzODdI0Mb3kTznw..

The ACLU has just announced the results of a new poll that reveals 
American voters' attitudes on presidential powers and spying. See how your 
answers compare to those in the national poll. Take our survey: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=JkE8arOAl0MQrJKr64faPA..

Stop the abuse of power. Sign our Demand for the Truth petition here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=s4tiICTyzyIEysUU_y-tRA..

Get updates from Capitol Hill and links to related news on our Patriot Act 
Blog: http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=lUMiFxojMzzK1iQdK7d7Tw..

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CIVIL LIBERTIES AND TWO OSCAR NOMINATED FILMS

AN UNCANNY RESEMBLANCE TO BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN  

Though they were in a committed and loving relationship, Sam Beaumont and 
Earl Meadows were not the types to march in a gay pride rally.  "We had a 
real nice, quiet life together," Sam said of their life in Bristow, 
Oklahoma.

That ended when Earl died two years ago. Now Sam is not only facing life 
without his other half, but also the very real possibility of losing the 
home they built and lived in together for 23 years. Unfortunately, the 
notarized will Earl drafted to leave everything to Sam had only one 
witness -- Oklahoma requires two. To make matters worse, almost all the 
couple's assets were in Earl's name.

If Sam and Earl could have married, the property would have passed to Sam 
automatically. But since Oklahoma law doesn't recognize same-sex 
relationships, the home Sam and Earl shared went to Earl's disapproving 
cousins who rarely spoke to Earl when he was alive and had never even set 
foot on the property. Meanwhile, Sam is struggling to hold on to what 
little he has left.

Brokeback Mountain is a powerful drama that tells the story of a romantic 
relationship between two male ranchers. The film has been nominated for 
eight Academy Awards and draws attention to the struggles of same-sex 
relationships when there are little or no legal protections.

To read more about Sam and Earl, go here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=R_fGCFK-PQEaro3MTKSS8Q..

GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK TELLS STORY OF FREE PRESS

Good Night and Good Luck tells the story of five journalists who exercise 
their basic freedoms to expose Sen. Joe McCarthy, who they felt would 
destroy those freedoms in an effort to defend them. Sen. McCarthy was 
famous for "naming" people as Communists and bullying. Edward R. Murrow 
led the group of journalists that confronted McCarthy. Murrow and his team 
eventually brought McCarthy down, but it was not without a fight. 
Congressional hearings that were supposed to expose Communists ended up 
exposing McCarthy and his effort to suppress free speech.

The film is a true representation of the complexities the journalists face 
when trying to tell the truth.

To read more about McCarthyism and the ACLU, go here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=xOS7mKaqAFijByA867S57g..

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U.S. SUPREME COURT AGREES TO REVIEW FEDERAL ABORTION BAN RULING

Three decades of legal precedent to protect women's health should be the 
guide as the U.S. Supreme Court hears the case of Carhart v. Gonzales. 
Brought by the Center for Reproductive Rights, the case is one of three 
challenges to the Federal Abortion Ban signed into law by President Bush 
in 2003.

"The Supreme Court struck down a nearly identical state ban only six years 
ago in part because it failed to include protections for women's health. 
Congress deliberately defied that ruling when it passed the federal ban," 
said Talcott Camp, Deputy Director of the ACLU Reproductive Freedom 
Project.

Late last month, two federal appeals courts also held the ban 
unconstitutional. In a challenge brought by the National Abortion 
Federation and seven individual physicians, the Second Circuit affirmed 
that the ban requires a health exception and asked for further legal 
briefings to determine how to remedy the violation. On the same day, the 
Ninth Circuit affirmed a lower court decision striking down the ban in a 
challenge brought by the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (Planned 
Parenthood v. Gonzales).

Congress passed the federal ban despite the numerous court decisions, 
including a decision in 2000 by the Supreme Court in Stenberg v. Carhart, 
striking down similar state bans. Courts have consistently struck down the 
bans for two reasons: their broad language prohibits abortions as early as 
13 weeks in pregnancy, and they lack exceptions to protect women's health.

For more information, go here: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=QKGBgefuejDHp65PXxmQlQ..

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NEW DOCUMENTS PROVIDE FURTHER EVIDENCE THAT SENIOR OFFICIALS APPROVED 
ABUSE OF PRISONERS AT GUANTNAMO

Newly acquired documents obtained by the ACLU show that senior Defense 
Department officials approved aggressive interrogation techniques that FBI 
agents deemed abusive, ineffective and unlawful.

"We now possess overwhelming evidence that political and military leaders 
endorsed interrogation methods that violate both domestic and 
international law," said Jameel Jaffer, an ACLU attorney. "It is entirely 
unacceptable that no senior official has been held accountable."

Included in the release is a memorandum prepared by FBI personnel on May 
30, 2003, which supplies a detailed discussion of tensions between FBI and 
Defense Department personnel stationed at Guantnamo in late 2002. 
According to the memo, Defense Department interrogators were encouraged by 
their superiors to "use aggressive interrogation tactics" that FBI agents 
believed were "of questionable effectiveness and subject to uncertain 
interpretation based on law and regulation."

While some of the documents indicate that FBI personnel objected to 
Defense Department interrogation policies at Guantnamo, others raise 
serious questions about the FBI's own policies -- and particularly about 
the agency's response to the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. In one 
e-mail, dated January 24, 2004, the FBI's on-scene commander in Baghdad 
discusses whether the FBI should investigate the abuse or whether it 
should leave the task to military investigators. The e-mail, which was 
sent to senior FBI officials at FBI headquarters, advises that the FBI 
should decline to investigate. "We need to maintain good will and 
relations with those operating the prison," the e-mail states. "Our 
involvement in the investigation of the alleged abuse might harm our 
liaison."

To date, more than 90,000 pages of government documents have been released 
in response to the ACLU's Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. The ACLU has 
been posting these documents online at: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=uP1zR0r9MPR7ea4RH5cUaQ..

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NEW COALITION WEBSITE FIGHTS GOVERNMENT-FUNDED RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION

The religious liberty of Americans is under attack.

Under the guise of the so-called "faith-based initiative," some members of 
Congress and the Bush Administration are campaigning to allow taxpayer 
funds to be used for religious discrimination.

Their proposals seek to grant religious social service providers -- who 
have long provided admirable and essential services to America's 
communities -- the right to discriminate, proselytize and play by 
different rules than other charities while spending tax dollars. If these 
efforts are successful, social workers, psychologists, counselors, 
teachers and others seeking to work in tax-funded social service programs 
could be denied jobs solely because of their faith.

This would be a radical shift away from the American tradition of 
religious freedom.

The ACLU is a member of the Coalition Against Religious Discrimination, a 
group of religious, civil rights, labor, education, health and advocacy 
organizations who believe in defending the First Amendment and the 
religious liberty of all Americans. With these groups, we are fighting to 
protect the Constitution.

Lawmakers need to hear from members of the clergy and religious leaders, 
and from social service providers or professionals who believe that 
government funding of religion and religious discrimination is wrong. If 
you are a religious leader or service provider, now is the time to make 
your voice heard.

Visit the new coalition website at www.StopReligiousDiscrimination.org to 
sign an open letter to the president and Congress.

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IN THE STATES

Montana County Library Steps Up for ACLU Freedom Files After State Library 
Folds Under Pressure

The Lewis and Clark Library in Helena, Montana was the site for the 
screening and discussion of "Beyond the Patriot Act," a documentary series 
airing nationwide on Court TV and part of The ACLU Freedom Files. The 
showing took place after a decision by the Montana State Library to cancel 
the program.

"Libraries have been at the center of the Patriot Act debate over 
unwarranted searches of their records and computers by the federal 
government," said Scott Crichton, ACLU of Montana Executive Director. "We 
applaud the Lewis and Clark Library for recognizing the need for an open 
dialogue on the most critical civil liberties issues of the day. The 
Patriot Act has fueled a climate of fear that unfortunately appears to 
have clouded the vision of those at the state library who originally 
organized the screening."

Crichton added that the state library's decision to cancel the screening 
is yet another example of the government's attempts to silence dissent. 
For more information go to: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=fN41M_5N44F71jijnrZ8wg..

The ACLU Freedom Files on "Voting Rights"

Watch this month's installment of The ACLU Freedom Files on "Voting 
Rights" to find out how communities around the country are fighting 
manipulation of political districts, intimidation at polls and 
undemocratic laws. With vital parts of the Voting Rights Act up for 
renewal, even more citizens could find themselves deprived of equal access 
to the ballot box. "Voting Rights" airs on Link TV on March 9 at 8 PM 
ET/PT and on Court TV on March 11 at Noon ET/PT. For more details, go to: 
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=ii1-GRh8bpjSm7o83Xrt9Q..

Police Chief Who Blocked Life-Saving Measures for Gay Heart Attack Victim 
Sued

Surviving family members of Claude Welch who died of a heart attack are 
suing a West Virginia police chief after the police chief physically 
prevented his friend from performing CPR. The police chief blocked the CPR 
because he falsely assumed that the man, who was gay, was HIV positive and 
therefore a health risk.

"I'm heartbroken that I have lost my son over such ignorance and bigotry," 
said Helen Green, mother of Claude Green, Jr., who died at the age of 43. 
"I can't understand how someone who is supposed to protect the people of 
Welch could physically block another human from saving my son's life."

The ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of the surviving family members of 
Claude Green, Jr. against the City of Welch and Robert K. Bowman, Welch's 
Chief of Police. The lawsuit charges that Bowman discriminated against 
Green by preventing others from providing life-saving medical care to 
Green because of his sexual orientation and/or perceived HIV status.

Green suffered a heart attack while driving with Billy Snead, a friend, 
last summer. Snead was performing CPR by the side of the road when Bowman 
arrived and told him to stop because Green was HIV positive. Although 
Snead didn't stop, Bowman physically barred him from continuing CPR at a 
critical point in Green's resuscitation. Snead, who had not realized at 
first that Bowman was a police officer, obeyed his commands.

While Green fought to stay alive, Bowman prevented anyone else from aiding 
Green until EMS workers arrived. As they were putting Green in the 
ambulance, Bowman informed EMS workers that Green was HIV positive. EMS 
workers ignored Bowman's warnings and performed CPR, but he passed away 
shortly after arriving at the hospital. He did not have HIV.

A copy of the complaint are available at:
http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=ffmS3v6gqVV1xNfQeuyhsA..

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wilt
response 112 of 112: Mark Unseen   May 16 23:52 UTC 2006

HACKED BY GNAA LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL
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