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scholar
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response 87 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:09 UTC 2006 |
Re. 78: yeah?
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edina
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response 88 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:14 UTC 2006 |
Re 86 Believe me, when I want Pad Thai and can't have it (long noodles bother
me) or when I get reckless and eat it anyway and then have to go and make
myself sick to relieve the pain, I don't think it's easy. Nor did I think
it was easy when I *had* the surgery.
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scholar
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response 89 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:16 UTC 2006 |
i think there's something wrong with people who get life threatening and life
altering surgery when simple will power will do.
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richard
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response 90 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:19 UTC 2006 |
edina there are some doctors who don't advise that surgery unless your life
is in danger. Was your life in danger? Don't you think that some people just
obsess about their weight and all of a sudden some miracle surgery comes along
and they just *have* to have it? I look at a guy like Al Roker of the Today
Show, who was overweight but clearly healthy and not dying, and it seems like
he had the surgery for vanity reasons. He had the surgery because well...he
could, and then he could go on tv skinnier and boast about it over and over
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edina
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response 91 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:24 UTC 2006 |
I don't presume to answer for anyone but myself when it comes to the decision
made to have bariatric surgery. No - my life was not in danger. My decision
was based on a bunch of reasons, the primary being my health. I was sick of
being as fat as I could. I have dieted on and off all my life. I have had
psychotherapy. I have worked out. It just wasn't happening.
People can comment all they want about will-power and what have you and that's
their right. I know the decision was right for me.
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richard
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response 92 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:31 UTC 2006 |
I knew one woman who had the surgery, a co-worker at a past place of
employment. She lost a great deal of weight, and looked like a different
person, and then her husband divorced her. He liked her better fat
apparently, and felt that if she was so dissatisfied with her pre-surgery
life, that he must be part of that dissatisfaction. How such surgery affects
your loved ones or will affect them and how they perceive you, is something
that needs studying.
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edina
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response 93 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:33 UTC 2006 |
I was divorced when I had it - and I was just getting involved with Dave.
Both Gary (the ex) and Dave were very supportive, and my family stood by me
too. I was very lucky in that respect.
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richard
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response 94 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:49 UTC 2006 |
The other thing is that modern medicine may well come up with better, easier,
less invasive ways to lose weight fast in the near future. Wouldn't it be
a bummer to have had your body cut up and then the next year they come out
with miracle diet pills or something?
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jep
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response 95 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:54 UTC 2006 |
That's true for dieting, too. Wouldn't it be a bummer to have gone
through a grueling diet, then have a miracle pill come out that could
do it all for you?
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edina
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response 96 of 378:
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Mar 7 16:56 UTC 2006 |
Re 94 No, it wouldn't be a bummer.
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richard
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response 97 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:21 UTC 2006 |
edina I read that some people who've had the surgery don't eat three meals
a day, but starve themselves long enough that they are hungry enough to eat
one regular sized meal without getting sick. Is that what you do now?
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edina
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response 98 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:24 UTC 2006 |
No. Nor does that even make sense.
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tod
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response 99 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:26 UTC 2006 |
re #84
Society decided it's society's business, due to insurance costs, to
have laws about motorcycle helmets, seat belts, drunk driving, no-fault
insurance, and smoking tobacco. It's well established that, if it
affects insurance costs, it's in the public interest. I don't like it
either but I see no reason why obesity should be exempt.
Well, I can imagine a few scenarios why it should be exempt. It could be
considered a religious freedom in some cultures(some Pacific Islanders) to
be overweight. I can also see folks like the fast food lobby being against
anything that would cut into their revenues. Also, if we're going to talk
about being at risk..why not require everyone to drink a glass of red wine
on a daily basis otherwise they should be penalized? How about mental health?
Should we penalize people for not having a healthy sex life or for not having
a sex life at all?
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scholar
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response 100 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:30 UTC 2006 |
By the way: The latest medical evidence spreads all sorts of doubt about
even moderately being beneficial rather than detrimental to your health.
Not that I'd get in the way of you having a few drinks!
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jep
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response 101 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:32 UTC 2006 |
It could be considered a religious freedom in some cultures(some
Pacific Islanders) to be overweight.
So could smoking tobacco. Drinking alcohol has religious connotations
for some as well.
I can also see folks like the fast food lobby being against anything
that would cut into their revenues.
So was the tobacco industry, remember?
Also, if we're going to talk about being at risk..why not require
everyone to drink a glass of red wine on a daily basis otherwise
they should be penalized?
No proven effect. If there was, maybe we might see that as well.
How about mental health? Should we penalize people for not having a
healthy sex life or for not having a sex life at all?
What are you talking about?
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scholar
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response 102 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:39 UTC 2006 |
Your mother.
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tod
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response 103 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:49 UTC 2006 |
re #101
It could be considered a religious freedom in some cultures(some
Pacific Islanders) to be overweight.
So could smoking tobacco. Drinking alcohol has religious connotations
for some as well.
That's why its legal to smoke in Indian casinos where otherwise a state
has made smoking in public illegal.
Also, if we're going to talk about being at risk..why not require
everyone to drink a glass of red wine on a daily basis otherwise
they should be penalized?
No proven effect. If there was, maybe we might see that as well.
Nobody is forced to eat apples.
How about mental health? Should we penalize people for not having a
healthy sex life or for not having a sex life at all?
What are you talking about?
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mens_Health_Watch.htm
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scholar
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response 104 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:52 UTC 2006 |
jep is a vagina and todd (who is a penis) is fucking him.
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nharmon
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response 105 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:55 UTC 2006 |
and scholar is an asshole, who needs to be fucked before he shits all
over everything.
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tod
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response 106 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:57 UTC 2006 |
re #104
Can I used that or did you copyright it?
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scholar
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response 107 of 378:
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Mar 7 17:59 UTC 2006 |
Re. 105: Dude. Seriously, I was just putting things away and saw the
Christmas card you sent me and wondered what you would think of all this!
But, uh, equally seriously, uh, I have perfectly fine bowel control, though
that might change if someone fucks me.
Re. 106: You're welcome to use it, though I'm pretty sure I at least derived
it from some other source. I'm not sure, though.
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slynne
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response 108 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:03 UTC 2006 |
resp:83 Perhaps fat people cost society money. But so what? Men (as a
group) weigh more than women (as a group) but I dont see you bitching
about men externalizing their jet fuel costs on to women.. Why is that
do you think? Is it because you are a man? Poor people probably cost
society a lot of money, should we shame people for being poor? There
is no way that every group is going to cost the same as every other
group. And there are people who save society money and people who cost
society money. The truth is that you have no idea how much money fat
people are costing you. You don t even know if there is a net cost. You
give one example and it turns out to be a very small amount. For all
you know, fat people might be saving you money in other ways. But even
if it turned out that fat people cost thin people some money, so what?
Do you really want to live in a world where people run around worrying
about how much some other group is costing them?
Resp:84 The main reason is that things like wearing seatbelts and
wearing helmets and smoking, etc are all behaviors and not a state of
being. Fat is a state of being. Eating a poor diet is a behavior. Now,
granted most people who eat a poor diet end up being heavier than they
otherwise would be. But that doesn t mean that every fat person eats a
bad diet. There is natural size diversity in our species. If you take a
group of people and feed them the exact same diet and make sure they
get the exact same amount of exercise, there will still be a range of
weights within that group. Now, if you are suggesting that we ban junk
food, I might not agree with it but at least that is something similar
to requiring someone to wear a seat belt.
I think that a lot of people have a way of thinking about fat people
that often is not based on fact. They think that fat people are lazy
and weak and could be thin if they wanted to. All it takes is a little
will power, right. I have yet to meet a person who says this who has
any kind of facts to back it up other than anecdotal evidence (Oprah
did it, anyone can do it). I also have yet to meet a person who has
actually lost a large amount of weight and kept it off who makes
comments like all it takes is a little will power because those
people know the effort that goes into sustained weight loss. The same
people who often believe that people are fat because of bad behavior
usually seem to believe that obesity is a terminal illness and is
costing everyone tons of money. Are there health risks associated with
obesity? Yes. Are people s reactions to those probably out of
proportion with the actual risks? Almost definitely.
The media feeds all of this by using scare terminology like Obesity
Epidemic and writing articles like the one Cyklone linked to about how
fat costs millions just in jet fuel alone. The article never mentions
how much that cost is per airline ticket purchased because it simply
wouldn t be as sensational. I get very frustrated with the media and
their coverage on anything that has anything to do with obesity. They
seldom include meaningful statistics. They use language designed to
frame the issue in a way that scares people.
Believe it or not, there is a lot of fat hatred in our culture. A lot
of good people have a strong bias against fat people in the same way
that a lot of good people are prejudiced against black people or gay
people or whatever other group. I think that a lot of people use the
health risks of obesity and any other costs they can dream up to
justify discrimination against fat people in the same way that people
use AIDS and the increased costs of that disease to justify
discrimination against gay people.
I am not saying that anyone on here is necessarily doing that but
people do that all the time. I have read editorials that were published
in major newspapers that said that things like having stores that sell
fashionable clothes for fat people or having resorts that cater to fat
people is wrong because it encourages people to be fat. Never mind the
thousand comments a day that I hear just from people I know. Honestly,
as a fat person, I am very thankful that I live in a city that bans
discrimination against a person based on their weight and that I live
in a state that considers weight a protected class of employment.
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scholar
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response 109 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:06 UTC 2006 |
I like fat people and don't think they should have to pay extra and feel bad.
:(
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slynne
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response 110 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:08 UTC 2006 |
Well, thank you scholar.
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scholar
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response 111 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:13 UTC 2006 |
You're welcome!
You can repay me by teaching me how to dance like John Travolta did in Pulp
Fiction!
Then I'd be cool!
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