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Grex > Coop > #64: Moderated Conferences? | |
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cyklone
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response 86 of 133:
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Oct 6 13:11 UTC 2007 |
My proposal does much the same thing, but in real time. Based on some of the
comments I heard from the techies on m-net, the coding would not be too
difficult or time-consuming, as it would involve a specific text that acts
as a flag, plus a counting mechanism to trigger the move.
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keesan
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response 87 of 133:
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Oct 6 13:36 UTC 2007 |
Email validation would not dissuade vandals like the current one. The twit
filter would work better if it did not keep showing blank responses,
especially when people flood every item in agora.
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remmers
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response 88 of 133:
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Oct 6 13:39 UTC 2007 |
Re #86: Not really the same. Your proposal would empower a set of
voters to make global content decisions on behalf of everybody. Mine
would allow
me to tailor my environment according to my own criteria by specifying
who gets to vote on my behalf.
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cyklone
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response 89 of 133:
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Oct 6 17:41 UTC 2007 |
I must be misunderstanding your idea then, because I thought your proposal
also resulted in a global content decision.
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remmers
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response 90 of 133:
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Oct 11 14:35 UTC 2007 |
Putting it another way: I'm suggesting mechanisms that would allow
users to fine-tune for themselves what they see and don't see in the
conferences, based partly on the opinions of other users whom they
trust. Basically, a more sophisticated filtering system than just
"ignore" and "forget", that takes into account that different users will
have different preferences.
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lar
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response 91 of 133:
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Nov 22 10:02 UTC 2007 |
re#90
Do what you like but if you do then remove the blue ribbon. Not that it
matters much. It's just a symbol. m-net doesn't have a blue ribbon but
it generally sticks to free speech due to jerryr's insistence on it. tod
and I are his strongest supporters in that particular area. In fact, the
only time I have seen the principle grossly violated was when the banned
April Morrison aka "hera" from the system for nothing but posting ,what
was in their opinion, bad content. I disagreed with the ban based on
principle as did tod and jerryr. The line of reasoning that was used, if
I recall correctly, was that hera's posts would have a negative impact
on the influx of newusers. We are still waiting for this "influx". We
get new users all the time but most don't dare tread on the bbs . Those
that do will get flamed to tears if they don't have a thick skin. Ask
veek, one flame from twinkie and he ran back here like a whipped puppy.
The world isn't a perfect place where everyone behaves and gets along.
There are total jerks. There are good people who get pissed and act like
jerks. There are good people who use a bad attitude as the first layer
in their self defense mechanism. If you can't handle a few insults that
amount to nothing but a few pixels on a screen then get some counseling
Aren't you the same bunch that screams bloody murder when christians
want profanity and porn removed from movies and TV? You say "Hey, you
don't have to watch it... turn the channel and stop legislating
morality" Isn't a failure to maintain the free speech campaign because
you don't like the content, to a certain extent,hypocrisy?
free speech makes grex. If you have to tolerate those who abuse this
freedom in order to keep it...so be it.
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tod
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response 92 of 133:
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Nov 22 10:33 UTC 2007 |
Give april time...soon this place will be run like a convent
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mary
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response 93 of 133:
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Nov 22 14:14 UTC 2007 |
I think you've got free speech issues confused with intentional acts of
vandalism, lar. Entering the same exact string of words in every item and
then coming back an hour later and doing the same thing again. And again.
And again.
In terms of content Grex has a pretty thick skin.
But that said I'm not sure the totally open model works all that well
anywhere anymore. It's a magnet for people with social issues.
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cyklone
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response 94 of 133:
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Nov 22 14:45 UTC 2007 |
Lar's version of mnet events is only half the story. Some of us simply felt
that Hera did not keep up her end of a bargain she made with mnet many years
ago.
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mary
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response 95 of 133:
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Nov 22 15:40 UTC 2007 |
So if she'd come back and entered great items that were popular she
wouldn't have been blocked?
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cyklone
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response 96 of 133:
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Nov 23 14:09 UTC 2007 |
Actually, I think the agreement (which I was not around for) was basically
to not act like the ass she had been when she originally left mnet. You'd have
to ask someone who was around then for the details.
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remmers
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response 97 of 133:
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Nov 25 13:27 UTC 2007 |
I was around. As best I can remember, she agreed not to come back, in
exchange for a partial refund of her membership donation. After a
couple of years, she came back anyway. The M-Net board noted that she
was in violation of the agreement but took no action. This was, like,
five years ago. In view of the fact that her renewed presence on M-Net
was then tolerated for several years, citing the long-ago violation as
justification for the recent banning strikes me as more of a pretext
than anything else.
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cyklone
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response 98 of 133:
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Nov 25 14:35 UTC 2007 |
I don't, as I don't recall any time limit being involved. My understanding
was the deal was she had to behave a certain way. The fact is she violated
that agreement. Waiting to pull the plug on her was fully within the rights
of m-net. I'm mean, she can't very well tell a cop "hey, I've been speeding
for five years now, you can't give me a ticket!"
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remmers
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response 99 of 133:
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Nov 25 16:20 UTC 2007 |
What I'm saying is that I don't think that her violation of the previous
agreement had much to do with the fact that she was banned.
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lar
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response 100 of 133:
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Nov 25 21:07 UTC 2007 |
re#93
yeah, I guess spamming a board with multiple instances of the same post
isn't exactly free speech. However, I didn't get banned for it ( I got a
24 hour time from casper once) twinkie didn't get banned for it.
chamberl didn't get banned for it. The thing that got the ball rolling
looking back on it... If I recall correctly was hera threatening to call
tanis's employers about his totally alledged drug abuse. We all warned
her about it and she didn't do anything. However, it did serve to
escalate the long standing feud between her and tanis. An item voting on
the ban was started by tanis and it quickly became the hottest topic I
have ever seen on m-net. We had like 300 responses or something in 8
hours. The roots took note of the popularity of the item and the
overwhelming response against hera and booted her. cyklone is right,
someone did bring up the old refund issue but that was only an addendum
to the item so remmers is correct. The final decision was made by a
root and not by the B.O.D. My argument was that a root should intervene
in a fully paid member's activities only if technical abuse is being
done by the member. Let's face it cyklone..we banned hera for content.
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cyklone
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response 101 of 133:
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Nov 25 21:44 UTC 2007 |
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. While I don't know the terms of
the old agreement, I'm fairly certain she agreed to restrictions on what and
how she posted.
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cmcgee
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response 102 of 133:
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Nov 25 22:08 UTC 2007 |
Folks, this conversation does not belong in Grex's governance
conference.
Please move it elsewhere.
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jep
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response 103 of 133:
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Nov 26 19:55 UTC 2007 |
I was starting to wonder why Grex was discussing M-Net's policies in
Grex's coop. I'm doubtful that most of Arbornet's Board participates in
this conference, so I don't think much is going to get decided here.
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lar
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response 104 of 133:
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Nov 26 20:33 UTC 2007 |
Whatever, The issue came up as a basis to compare grex's moderated
conf. proposal with current m-net practices as relating to free speech
and NOT as a discussion that would effect m-net policy. Didn't mean to
slay your sacred "don't discuss m-net in coop" cow
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nharmon
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response 105 of 133:
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Nov 26 20:38 UTC 2007 |
I agree with Larry. The conversation is very relevant.
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cmcgee
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response 106 of 133:
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Nov 26 20:42 UTC 2007 |
Starting with post 92, this topic has had nothing to do with Moderated
Conferences on Grex.
Please stay on topic.
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lar
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response 107 of 133:
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Nov 27 11:26 UTC 2007 |
In any case a grex already has somewhat of a moderated forum, does it
not? Take coop for example. The FW has cracked the whip. For the record
I want to know why #92 is considered off topic? It's off the cuff humor
but it makes a relevant prediction. In a nutshell, tod is predicting
that a discussion of moderated conferences will soon be a non-issue as
agora will probably be strictly moderated out of necessity.
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slynne
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response 108 of 133:
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Nov 27 18:20 UTC 2007 |
There is a difference between a conference being moderated with
technology and one where a FW simply redirects the conversation. The big
problem is that around here, the latter takes a LOT of work and isnt
always effective anyways.
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lar
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response 109 of 133:
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Nov 28 20:19 UTC 2007 |
"the latter takes a LOT of work and isnt always effective anyways."
Especially when the opinion about a particular post (such as #92) being
off topic is doubtful to say the least. tod does often post off topic
but that doesn't mean every time he posts it should be considered so.
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remmers
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response 110 of 133:
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Nov 29 13:43 UTC 2007 |
I detect some misunderstanding of my suggestion in resp:90 as it wouldn't
limit what people can say or where they can say it, nor would it involve
moving or removing anything that's been posted, but then I haven't thought
it 100% of the way through myself and in any case it would be a major
project to implement so I doubt it'll happen anytime soon, so don't worry
about it. :) (But I'll try to expand on it if there's interest.)
In the meantime - Drift tends to happen when there's a lull and nobody's
injecting new ideas or viewpoints into a discussion. If the Board is
actually thinking of anything by way of conference moderation, I'm sure
they'll bring it up in Coop for discussion first, and that will put
discussion back on track.
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