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slynne
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response 86 of 101:
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Dec 5 20:08 UTC 2003 |
Here is the difference. While we have not actually found Saddam, we
have found *evidence* that he existed. There were a bunch of statues
and lots of people who actually saw him. Not to mention countless
images on Iraqi TV up until the point where the US entered Bagdhad.
I think if there were similar evidence of WMD, no one would have issues
about this. It seems as if containment was working and this war (this
very expensive war) was not needed.
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gull
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response 87 of 101:
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Dec 5 20:17 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:85: Nice try. But the question wasn't whether WMD *ever*
existed in Iraq. The question was whether they existed *at the time*.
The purpose of the war was to eliminate the threat from those weapons.
If they had already been dismantled, the justification for the war was
faulty.
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klg
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response 88 of 101:
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Dec 5 20:41 UTC 2003 |
Ms. slynne,
There is LOADS AND LOADS of evidence that Saddam had WMD. (Where have
you been??)
re: "#87 (gull): . . . If they had already been dismantled, the
justification for the war was faulty. . . ."
Or, to be accurate, "a portion of the justification for the war may not
have been entirely correct."
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gull
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response 89 of 101:
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Dec 5 20:53 UTC 2003 |
The portion that actually made sense. The other justification the
President gave was "he's an evil man," which while true is also true of
the leaders of any number of other countries -- some of which are our
allies. That makes the decision to invade Iraq look pretty arbitrary.
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happyboy
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response 90 of 101:
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Dec 5 22:54 UTC 2003 |
we know that saddam exists because we have seen pictures of
vice chancellor rumsfeld eagerly shaking hands with him
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mcnally
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response 91 of 101:
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Dec 5 23:56 UTC 2003 |
Hmmm.. In klg bizarro-logic, that ties Rumsfeld to al Qaeda!
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happyboy
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response 92 of 101:
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Dec 6 00:14 UTC 2003 |
it's not so bizzare, this administration probably LOVES
al-qaeda in a political way.
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willcome
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response 93 of 101:
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Dec 6 06:53 UTC 2003 |
i think i should try scientology for life experience; what do you think?
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twenex
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response 94 of 101:
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Dec 6 10:02 UTC 2003 |
"Vice-chancellor" Rumsfeld???
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klg
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response 95 of 101:
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Dec 7 03:30 UTC 2003 |
(A new term used by those with a pathological hatred of the current
president?)
re: "#89 (gull) The portion that actually made sense. The other
justification the President gave was "he's an evil man," which while
true is also true of the leaders of any number of other countries --
some of which are our allies. That makes the decision to invade Iraq
look pretty arbitrary."
Ah, yes. It is o.k. for President Clinton to send Gen. Weasley Clark
to protect the Albanians in Kosovo from Milosovec, but, of course, a
Republican president can't do the same in Iraq.
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scott
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response 96 of 101:
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Dec 7 14:58 UTC 2003 |
Refresh our memory, klg... when did Clinton send hundreds of thousands of
troops into Albania? When did Clinton make false WMD claims agains Milosovec?
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keesan
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response 97 of 101:
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Dec 7 15:10 UTC 2003 |
Milosevic, with a little v over the s and a short ' over the c.
Czech names end in -ec, not Serbian ones.
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klg
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response 98 of 101:
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Dec 7 22:31 UTC 2003 |
(we beg your pardon)
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gull
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response 99 of 101:
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Dec 9 15:24 UTC 2003 |
Here's an interesting poll taken by the Program on International Policy
Attitudes, Nov. 21-30:
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/qnnaire_12_03.pdf
Some highlights:
- 55% think going to war with Iraq was the right decision. 41% think it
was the wrong decision. They also show results from the past six
months, and the gap has been narrowing.
- 75% think the most important thing for the U.S. to do as part of a war
on terrorism is to capture Osama Bin Laden and break up al-Qaeda. Only
21% think the most important thing is to capture Saddam Hussein and
establish democracy in Iraq.
- 71% think the UN should take the lead in building a democratic
government in Iraq. 26% think the US should take the lead.
- 56% don't think the war with Iraq will result in greater peace and
stability in the Middle East. 39% think it will. This just about
reverses the percentages from a 5/03 poll.
- Bush is trailing an unnamed Democratic nominee by six points in the
"if the election were held today" question.
There are a lot of other interesting tidbits in the full document,
including some comparisons between U.S. and world opinion.
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klg
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response 100 of 101:
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Dec 9 17:17 UTC 2003 |
re: "- Bush is trailing an unnamed Democratic nominee by six points in
the "if the election were held today" question."
Which is just slightly more than the nearly 4% margin of error. An 10%
did not respond.
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gull
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response 101 of 101:
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Dec 9 19:42 UTC 2003 |
Yup. But he used to have a clear lead.
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