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cyklone
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response 85 of 122:
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Jan 11 13:37 UTC 1999 |
Its on Nursery Crime or Foxtrot (it may also be on one of their live albums).
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keesan
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response 86 of 122:
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Jan 11 16:49 UTC 1999 |
Beats like 9/4 or 7/4 are common in Balkan music and farther east. I think
that a lot of recent composers are borrowing from other folk and classical
traditions now. Will check out the Irish, Finnish, etc. folk-based stuff,
thanks Ken. (If it ever gets a bit warmer).
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keesan
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response 87 of 122:
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Jan 11 21:20 UTC 1999 |
We may get to the library this evening so I made a list: Ken's Irish band
Altan, Irish band Clennad, Finnish accordion Maria Kalaneni 'IHO', Swedish
band Vasen 'Spirit', Scottish harp by Sileas 'Beating Harps'. Maybe some
interesting rhythm stuff by Genesis, Jean Luc Ponty's jazz, Passport, and
Jethro Tull. If nothing else, I will be more educated after listening.
(Did I miss any recent suggestions? Went back 30 responses).
Seems like the more unusual folk music was preserved on the fringes of Europe
- Celtic areas and Scandinavia - or else there is just more interest in folk
revival there. I have a couple of folk-style tapes from Hungary, but from
the rest of E. Europe the folk music is mostly real folk, not folk-style.
People still listen to it on the radio in Bulgaria or Serbia, and the pop
music is often folk-influenced (the stuff you hear in bars).
An Italian friend made me a tape of Sicilian bagpipe music, bagpipes are also
on the fringes - Scotland, Sicily, Macedonia and Greece and Bulgaria. Are
they used farther east of Bulgaria? Or in any recently composed music?
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e4808mc
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response 88 of 122:
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Jan 12 03:03 UTC 1999 |
Scott would you unlink this from houseplants? Dunno how it got here.
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davel
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response 89 of 122:
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Jan 12 03:22 UTC 1999 |
Music to grow the plants by?
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mcnally
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response 90 of 122:
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Jan 12 06:29 UTC 1999 |
The folkies seem to be dominating the suggestions so far.
I'd re-iterate the earlier suggestion to try Dead Can Dance
and would add another album on the same record label (4AD),
Cocteau Twins. "Victorialand" might be a good album to start
with..
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scott
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response 91 of 122:
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Jan 12 12:07 UTC 1999 |
OK, it is now unlinked.
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keesan
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response 92 of 122:
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Jan 12 20:46 UTC 1999 |
I found IHO (Maria Kalaniemi Finnish), the Best of Altan (Irish), Clannad in
Concert at the public library. I somehow ended up there without my list and
will try other suggestions another time. Also found in with the original and
newly composed folk music some non-Western classical music from North India
Inkuyo Music of the Andes, and Armenia: Sources (folk?). For some reason
Asian classical music is classified as folk.
My apologies on the houseplant involvement, but I had accidentally
entered this item there, as you will realize if you start reading at the first
response. Some helpful people got it moved to Music and Classical but could
not figure out how to unlink it from Garden. Scott, how did you manage?
I will try Dead Can Dance and the jazz suggestions next trip.
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davel
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response 93 of 122:
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Jan 13 01:35 UTC 1999 |
Unlinking has to be done either by fairwitness (in the cf where it's
incorrectly linked) or by cfadm.
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davel
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response 94 of 122:
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Jan 13 01:38 UTC 1999 |
Possibly the reason nonwestern classical music is included with folk is the
lack of written notation. (This might not always apply, but does to some
things called "nonwestern classical", I think.) I can think of a few other
speculations as well.
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keesan
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response 95 of 122:
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Jan 13 05:36 UTC 1999 |
What other types of music notation are used around the world besides European?
I am curious about Chinese and Japanese notation. Indian, Iranian,
Egyptian... Some of these musics have quarter tones.
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scott
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response 96 of 122:
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Jan 13 22:10 UTC 1999 |
(I unlinked it by going into the plants conf. and killing it.)
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keesan
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response 97 of 122:
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Jan 15 19:43 UTC 1999 |
The library has two CDs by Jethro Tull on order, and one three-CD set in a
large cardboard box that would not have fit into my backpack. After the
library figured out that Dead Can Dance is an author, not a title, I found
three CDs and got out one, which I have not yet listened to.
Clannad was pleasant but only 30 minutes of concert, and no explanatory notes.
One piece sounded like jazz to me, the others probably folk based. I have
not yet read the notes for Altan, which was nice contra-dance type music.
I like Maria Kalaniemi (sp?) on the accordion best. Again, no notes. The
rhythms of several pieces were unusual: 2 2 3 or 3 2 2 beats. One sound just
like Bulgarian dance music, not Finnish. Where did she get her ideas? I will
listen to them all again and maybe record Maria.
I also got out some Iranian classical music from the folk section.
I notice that nobody has recommended anything from the library's categories
of gospel, blues, or country. Are these all vocal?
Jim likes old musicals (old being 1940s and 50s). Has anything been composed
since then on the level of Lerner and Loewe or Rodgers and Hammerstein?
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anderyn
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response 98 of 122:
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Jan 15 22:44 UTC 1999 |
Clannad in Concert is not their best, Keesan. One of hte pieces on there
is a jazz improv on a trad tune, and while it's interesting, it's not
what their "normal" pre-wallpaper music sounded like. Which Altan did
you get? I like them quite a bit.
I don't listen to the other categories of music, much. I don't like
gospel or blues or country, though some country is not too bad, sometimes.
I've heard a really good album or seven by Mary Chapin Carpenter, and
I think it's Lyle Lovett who's had one played at the ARk while I was working
on cleanup that I thought was darn good, but I grew up with the twangy
country sound, and hate that with a passion.
I really like Camelot, and many people tell me they adore the "new
musicals" such as Cats, but the only soundtracks that I have from musicals
are the ones to Godspell and JCSuperstar and *rummage rummage* movies
like "The Prince of Egypt".
Of course, I am biased heavily in favour of voice, and I don't own that
many non-vocal albums. I have some drumming ones, and a really nice
instrumental thing from a PBS special, but that's about it.
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isis
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response 99 of 122:
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Jan 16 01:40 UTC 1999 |
Just found out that Dead Can Dance broke up. maybe this is old news to some
people...but it makes me want to cry... *sniff*
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keesan
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response 100 of 122:
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Jan 16 03:10 UTC 1999 |
Clannad in Concert was the one that was recommended. The Best of Altan.
I am enjoying some Music of the Andes, to which Jim is tapping his foot. The
Armenian folk music was interesting. Are there any groups that do recently
composed Peruvian or Indian music, that the library might have?
Clannad was something I can listen to while working because I don't know a
word of Irish. (Yet). If anyone wants, I can tape for them a selection of
folk music from the Balkans (Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania) and E.
Europe (Serbian/Croatian, Czech/Slovak, Hungarian).
I have not yet listened to Dead Can Dance, it will have to be when Jim is not
listening, judging from his reaction to Yes. While cooking?
Andes Music also has a beat but it is somewhat variable and is not louder than
the tune. Are there other folk dance musics that I might like besides Balkan,
Scandinavian, and British Isles? I like unusual beats, such as 7/8, 11/8.
What should I be listening to/for in Dead Can Dance? (How long were they
together?).
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krj
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response 101 of 122:
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Jan 16 04:57 UTC 1999 |
CLANNAD IN CONCERT is so one of their best albums, is too is too is too.
:) More to the point, it is the only pre-new-age Clannad album I found
in the library's holdings. It's a short recording because it dates
from about 1978, the LP era.
There are hardly ever good notes on CDs any more. I may have an article
on Maria Kalaniemi in one of my folk music magazines which I could
clone for keesan. The library also had Kalaniemi's first American
cd -- IHO, which you got, was her second.
(Now I'll have to pull out my copy of IHO to look for the Bulgarian-
sounding piece.) As to where she got her ideas: I'm pretty sure that
Kalaniemi, like Varttina, the Hedningarna singers, and many of the
current crop of Finnish performers, studied at the folk music school
of the Sibelius Academy.
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anderyn
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response 102 of 122:
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Jan 17 04:05 UTC 1999 |
Oh, okay, you like it. I'll give you that one. Ken. But I never did like
it much. But you know how much I don't like a lot of live recordings.
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orinoco
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response 103 of 122:
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Jan 17 04:09 UTC 1999 |
Re#97: Gospel is vocal pretty much by definition, AFAIK. I know there's plenty
of instrumental blues out there, but I don't know enough about blues to point
you in the right direction. I really have no idea about instrumental country:
I haven't heard any, but I barely listen to any country at all.
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coyote
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response 104 of 122:
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Jan 17 05:20 UTC 1999 |
Re #99: Oh, no! That's really too bad... I was looking forward to the next
time they came around on tour, too!
*sigh* Probably about the only non-"classical" group I've really enjoyed...
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krj
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response 105 of 122:
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Jan 17 05:43 UTC 1999 |
One could probably find some instrumental bluegrass recordings filed in
the country section. But bluegrass is the only instrumental country
which is coming into my mind.
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happyboy
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response 106 of 122:
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Jan 17 06:44 UTC 1999 |
mmmmm...lots of oldtimey stuff i have around here is
instrumental...it ain't bluegrass, pa... i also have some
pretty good instrumental stuff by bob wills and the texas
playboys.
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keesan
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response 107 of 122:
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Jan 20 02:19 UTC 1999 |
What genre would you call them? I like bluegrass, it is not too different
from the Irish stuff.
I listened to Dead Can Dance. It is a strange name for a group (do other
groups have a verb in their name) but quite appropriate. A very marked and
repetitive rhythm, and sepulchral (at at least very bass) tunes. The rhythm
seemed to repeat for four measures at a time, unlike new age music, which
repeats forever. How would you classify Dead Can Dance? What sorts of things
should I be listening for? The words are not intelligible enough to interfere
with my work (which involves thinking in two languages at once). What sort
of training did the group members have in music?
I would bet Maria learned something about Balkan folk music, at least
the rhythms, and it sounded a lot like Bulgarian folkdance. I will listen
again. The library will not let me take out any more CDs until I return most
of what I have, 18 was way over the limit. (I also got Bukhara Crossroads
of Asia, and some Corelli and Bach). Have to decide what to record before
they are all overdue. Maybe one piece from each of the recommended groups
for times that I feel like listening to something different, and probably most
or all of Maria and Bach.
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anderyn
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response 108 of 122:
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Jan 20 14:52 UTC 1999 |
Keesan,
I dug into my music collection and found something you might like.
It's a RealWorld CD of a group called Trisan, which consists of
Joji Hirota (Japanese percussionist), Pol Brennan (Irish pianist,
guitarist, flutist... from Clannad, originally), and Guo Yue (Chinese,
plays bamboo flute) -- I got it out of the library originally, and fell
in love with it -- all three musicians are classically trained in their
own traditions, and they have written some neat songs that meld all
three -- mostly instrumental, though there are a few vocal tracks. I
ordered a copy from Schoolkids several years ago (it was put out in
1992, I think) and I can recommend it highly. Seems that no one else
has heard of it, though.
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keesan
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response 109 of 122:
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Jan 20 17:19 UTC 1999 |
San being the Japanese for something like 'honored sir'? In Japanese class
I was Keesan-san. Tri for three? Thanks, will look for it after I get the
number of CDs that I have out back down to under six. (I was going to record
them first but the tape player is not working, suddenly, or it could be the
receiver circuits, too much odd music?). Small world in music now.
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