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Grex > Coop13 > #376: The problems with Grex, e-mail and spam | |
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keesan
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response 85 of 480:
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Nov 22 01:08 UTC 2006 |
It costs money to send paper junk mail, so there is much less of it, and most
of it comes from real and mostly reputable companies, who will take you off
their junk mail lists if you ask, or tell you where they bought their lists
so you can argue with the list supplier about it. Companies will also stop
sending you unwanted emails (don't give them your address when they ask for
it) but spammers will not, and it costs them almost nothing to send out 50
spams per recipient per day.
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gull
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response 86 of 480:
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Nov 22 01:18 UTC 2006 |
And yet, in spite of this differences, people still get junk mail. I
tried putting my name on one of the no-junk-mail lists, and it was
marginally effective at best. So even in that easier scenario, there
isn't a perfect solution.
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tsty
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response 87 of 480:
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Nov 22 03:18 UTC 2006 |
crucifying the messenger is soooooooooooooooooo much easier.
there is an exploit, apparently:
tsty: spew arrives.... how sweet the smell
herasleftnut: blocks dont work if I suspsend the shell during the flood
herasleftnut: its a long spanding bug
herasleftnut: that steve is stupid to fix
herasleftnut: .honkey
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marcvh
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response 88 of 480:
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Nov 22 06:06 UTC 2006 |
Physical junk mail is very different from spam. Comparing them is
not particularly helpful.
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nharmon
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response 89 of 480:
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Nov 22 06:29 UTC 2006 |
No, it isn't. Just like comparing it to telephone advertising isn't
helpful at all either.
"But what if we had a national do-not-spam list???"
AUGH.
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tsty
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response 90 of 480:
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Nov 22 10:41 UTC 2006 |
T R I P L E T S !!!!
grex% f -m shutthefuckupkarenz
Login: shutthefuckupkarenz Name: la la la
Directory: /a/s/h/shutthefuckupkarenz Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Tue Nov 21 17:08 (EST) on ttypb from 66-52-181-171.oak.dasdial.com
No Mail.
No Plan.
grex% f -m herasleftnut
Login: herasleftnut Name: Dr Kim L
Directory: /a/h/e/herasleftnut Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Tue Nov 21 21:24 (EST) on ttypf from 66-52-181-187.oak.dasdial.com
Mail last read Tue Nov 21 22:23 2006 (EST)
No Plan.
grex% f -m krjsucksdick
Login: krjsucksdick Name: da
Directory: /a/k/r/krjsucksdick Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Tue Nov 21 16:16 (EST) on ttyp5 from 66-52-181-171.oak.dasdial.com
No Mail.
No Plan.
grex%
and WITH a plan:
Dear fatass nigger (aka aliz),
Unlike your homosexual ass that does nothing but waste bandwidth on grex, I
use this place to continue to abuse Jan's tel message. My final goal is get
to the point where I can totally break this fucking pos system. In some
respects I've been slowed up because of the funky learning curve associated
with C and Unix.
Here is what I'm working on:
1)I made the code more modular so it's easier to add and delete shit.
2)I came with up an alternate method to bypass the 4 tels and delay shit. I
say alternate because it is only in the concept stage.
3)I also have a crude but working method to bypass .nowrite.
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tsty
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response 91 of 480:
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Nov 23 11:44 UTC 2006 |
denise ("you ignorant slut," SaturdayNightLive) ... you are next.
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tsty
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response 92 of 480:
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Nov 24 05:15 UTC 2006 |
thre was supposed to be a <g!> up thre in #91 ...oops
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naftee
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response 93 of 480:
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Nov 24 10:16 UTC 2006 |
oup
s
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naftee
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response 94 of 480:
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Nov 28 03:43 UTC 2006 |
hi tsty !
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tsty
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response 95 of 480:
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Nov 28 06:34 UTC 2006 |
'lo naft
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tsty
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response 96 of 480:
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Nov 28 07:27 UTC 2006 |
aruba suggested scribbles of
8888888_____________________8888888
8888888____________________88888888
EOF (herasleftnut)
!mesg nTelegram from herasleftnut on ttyp3 at 21:13 EST ...
homo
homo
- good idea, as i find them. however ... system problem ...
every scribble results in
homo
Pipe interrupt?
Respond or pass? scribble 74
Segmentation fault
grex%
someting is not working right and delays the scribbles
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cyklone
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response 97 of 480:
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Nov 28 13:35 UTC 2006 |
I've noticed the scribble problem lately, as well. When I scribble my telnet
screen disappears and I have to log in again.
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remmers
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response 98 of 480:
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Nov 28 16:00 UTC 2006 |
Hm... Just did a test of "scribble" in the Test conference and verified
that Picospan does indeed segfault (after successfully completing the
scribble). In cyklone's case, that would log him off, since he uses the
bbs shell. I wonder if this is new behavior.
Fronttalk ("ft") does not have the problem.
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keesan
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response 99 of 480:
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Nov 28 18:36 UTC 2006 |
I just counted 90 From: Debora..... stock spams in my log file from procmail
in the past 1.5 days, up from 50/day last week to 60/day now. Please could
some staff member write up a script for people to easily use spamassassin
(spamc) even from bbs menu? Fat spams are also on the increase.
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rcurl
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response 100 of 480:
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Nov 28 18:57 UTC 2006 |
It would certainly be convenient for Grex users if there was a way to simply
select a Grex spam filter that is maintained for the deluge of current spam.
Having every user do it individually is a huge waste of users' time, and
many may not know how. CAEN maintains a Brightmail spam list. I think this
costs them money, but a simpler one could surely be maintained by a Grex
volunteer.
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cmcgee
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response 101 of 480:
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Nov 28 21:22 UTC 2006 |
Rane, are you offering to volunteer to do that? A persistent issue on Grex,
is the "someone-else-ought-to-stop-volunteering-on-their-preferred-project
so they can work on the one I want done". How about recruiting someone to
come to Grex and work on your project, if it's not one you can handle
yourself?
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rcurl
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response 102 of 480:
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Nov 28 22:08 UTC 2006 |
The only people I know (...know of...) that could do it are here on Grex.
Please would one of YOU implement a system-wide spam filter?
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cyklone
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response 103 of 480:
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Nov 28 22:30 UTC 2006 |
Re #101: Given the well-documented problems with our current staff
structure (see the coop cf for more), I think it's an inappropriate
cop-out to turn a reasonable request back on the person making the
request. I, for one, wouldn't dream of recommending someone volunteer on
grex given the recent treatment other volunteers have received.
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keesan
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response 104 of 480:
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Nov 28 22:53 UTC 2006 |
I wrote a simple filter that anyone who knows how to copy can copy, but there
are people who don't know anything but bbs shell. And other people who really
want to get all their spam, including 60 a day from debora*. The stock spams
have slipped through my filter again, sort of like malaria mutating every day.
Today I am filtering on Target: Some days it is Projected price: or
Projected: . They seem to be from .ua or .ru or .mx - should grex reject all
Mexican ISPs?
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glenda
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response 105 of 480:
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Nov 29 00:28 UTC 2006 |
No, we shouldn't reject all Mexican ISPs! Or any other blanket block of ISPs.
If there is a particular IP that is causing nothing but problems, yes. Notice
that I said IP not ISP, a significant difference.
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mcnally
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response 106 of 480:
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Nov 29 01:22 UTC 2006 |
re #98: picospan has had the "scribble" segv at least since we moved
to OpenBSD.
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cross
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response 107 of 480:
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Nov 29 03:01 UTC 2006 |
Picospan is dead software; it will eventually stop running as assumptions it
made about the underlying system become untrue as the underlying system
evolves.
I've volunteered to work on some of grex's quagmire of email. Slynne said
a month or two ago she was going to talk to baff about giving me some staff
privileges to work on some projects. I don't know what became of that....
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gull
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response 108 of 480:
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Nov 29 03:54 UTC 2006 |
What's really necessary is for some staffer to make this their pet
project and bang something together. Dan seems like as good a choice
for that as any. Going after the problem piecemeal is not going to be
nearly as effective.
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cyklone
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response 109 of 480:
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Nov 29 03:57 UTC 2006 |
And he would seem to be an obvious answer to #101, as well.
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