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albaugh
response 85 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 19:18 UTC 2003

Yep, they're now 40-118 with 4 games left, all at home against Minnesota.
gelinas
response 86 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 21:50 UTC 2003

If they lose all four, they'll end up at .240.  Not as good as a sub-40 win
season, but they *are* the Tigers, after all.
albaugh
response 87 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:25 UTC 2003

BTW, those last 2 games in KC (Tue & Wed) were managed by stand in Larry
Parrish, a former manager of the Tigers, still with the organization.  
Alan Trammell was away due to the death of his mother.
albaugh
response 88 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:33 UTC 2003

Game summary from tonight (Thu Sept 25):

Tigers were down 1-0 in a pitching duel, heading into the bottom of the 7th.
With runners at 2nd & 3rd and one out, Bobby Higginson's ground ball tied the
game at 1.  With runners on 2nd & 3rd this time with 2 out, a double brought
them both in for a 3-1 lead, setting up a win for the Tigers starter.
But in the top of the 8th Matt Anderson continued what I consider to be the
swoon of his career, walking 2 of the 3 batters he faced, both of which
scored.  Reliever Rodney gave up a sac fly and a 2-run homer to give the Twins
back the lead 4-3.  In the bottom of the 8th, Craig Monroe's solo homer tied
the game at 4.  The game went into extra innings still tied, until Shane
Halter's 2-out "walk off" solo homer game the Tige's a 5-4 win.

So that makes 'em 41-118 with 3 games to go.  They have now assured themselves
not to tie for the fewest wins, and cannot have the worst winning percentage.
Who knows, it just might be possible for them to reach "safety" after all,
with 2 wins in the next 3 games.
jep
response 89 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:36 UTC 2003

Nope, they won tonight, in the 11th inning, on a 2 out home run by 
Shane Halter.  This is their 3rd win in a row, and it clinches a 
better winning percentage and more wins for the season than the 1962 
Mets.  I would say now that the Tigers will not be considered the 
worst team in the Modern Era.

A few years ago, Halter played every position on the field in a ball 
game.  (The manager at the time, whom I believe was Larry Parrish, 
would have put him in at DH as well, but didn't; it was just a mistake 
on his part.)

From this, and seeing him in occasional games, and hearing him in 
interviews, you might think Halter is a player to be reckoned with.  
In fact, he's a scrub; he wouldn't be playing for any other major 
league team and shouldn't be with the Tigers.  He won't be around next 
year and won't wind up with another major league team.  He's really 
pretty bad.

But... good for him.  I'm glad he had one good day.
albaugh
response 90 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:43 UTC 2003

Actually, that was his 2nd "walk off" (game winning & ending) home run this
month:  The first beat Cleveland.
albaugh
response 91 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 04:13 UTC 2003

The Tigers made a brave go of it Friday night (Sept 26), losing 5-4 in 11
innings.  They took a 2-0 lead in the first inning, and another lead 3-2 in
the 5th on a solo homer by Dmitri Young, after the Twins had tied it at 2.
The game went into the 10th tied at 3, and the Twins went ahead 4-3 on a 2-out
walk followed by a double.  But the Tigers tied the game at 4 in the bottom
of the 10th on a 1-out single by Shane Halter.  The Twins got the winning run
in the top of the 11th on a leadoff home run.

So that makes 'em 41-119 with 2 games to go.  They can still reach "safety"
if they win both.  Anything less means tying or setting the record for most
losses (which they already have the American League record for now).
jep
response 92 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 14:22 UTC 2003

It was exciting at the end of the game.  I was surprised to find that 
I expected them to win.  It's been a while since I felt that way.
happyboy
response 93 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 21:03 UTC 2003

the tigers are my favorite team again.


we...except for the mudhens who would
KICK THEIR ASS.
slynne
response 94 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 27 23:53 UTC 2003

I know. I might have to go watch this team next year. They prolly need 
someone to encourage them and let them know that it doesnt mean they 
are bad people if they lose. ;)
richard
response 95 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 01:34 UTC 2003

Tigers are losing 8-4 to Minnesota in the eighth, it appears they may tie the
record tonight and go for the record tomorrow
jep
response 96 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:18 UTC 2003

Nope, they're tied at the bottom of the 9th.  Come on, Tigers!
jep
response 97 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:19 UTC 2003

They did it!  They won!

They were down 8-0 in the 5th inning, and they came back against the 
Minnesota Twins and they won!
gelinas
response 98 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:22 UTC 2003

They can't even lose properly, can they? ;)
jep
response 99 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 02:38 UTC 2003

I think they did it just the way I wanted them to!
krj
response 100 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 03:29 UTC 2003

The winning run:  a walk, two stolen bases, and then a passed ball
on a strikeout allowed the runner at third to come home.
aruba
response 101 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 03:37 UTC 2003

Ack - I can't believe I game up on the game after 6 innings, and so I missed
the comeback.
jep
response 102 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 12:23 UTC 2003

I gave up on the game, too.  (-:  I was checking scores on football 
games on the WWW when I saw the Tigers were tied up.  I turned on the 
TV just after the game was over.
happyboy
response 103 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 17:19 UTC 2003

re94:

cups hands and yells like stuart smalley:

"IT'S OK NOT TO MAKE THE BIG SCORE YOU GUYS, WE STILL THINK
 YOU'RE GOOD PEOPLE!"


slynne is more entertaining at a 'hens game that muddy mudhen
is...
slynne
response 104 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 17:24 UTC 2003

It's all the cheap beer. ;)
happyboy
response 105 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 28 17:28 UTC 2003

...and the greasy slabs of mudhens pizza!


/munches on a mudhens corndawg
gelinas
response 106 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 03:09 UTC 2003

I saw an article in one of the Detroit papers which said that Mr. Illitch had
decided to get some good players, even if it did cost him some money.  I just
heard the same thing on WDIV's 11:00 news.  So may be some good did come out
of this season.
albaugh
response 107 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 04:29 UTC 2003

Sat. Sept. 27 the Tigers came back from an 8-1 deficit to win in the bottom
of the 9th 9-8.  That was the biggest deficit overcome since 1965.
That made 'em 42-119, with *still* a possibility to reach "safety" and avoid
all associations with the '62 Mets, by winning on Sunday.
albaugh
response 108 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 04:33 UTC 2003

Sunday September 28, the final day of the season, the Tigers used a 7-run 6th
(their biggest 1-inning outburst of the season) to gut out a 9-4 win over the
Twins, to cap off an improbable 5 wins in their last 6 games, against teams
much better in record than they.  That means that they do indeed avoid tying
the '62 Mets for most losses in a season, and fewest wins.

However, this was still a terrible team overall, winning at just above a .250
clip for the season.  They did set the American League record for most losses
in a season.  But since there was nothing to be gained by tying or breaking
the Mets anti-record, you can tip your cap to them for showing some grit in
the end.
jep
response 109 of 116: Mark Unseen   Sep 29 14:19 UTC 2003

The Terry Foster article Joe mentioned quotes Mike Ilitch as vowing to 
spend to improve the team:

http://www.detnews.com/2003/tigers/0309/29/a01-282569.htm

Some Ilitch  quotes:

"I am going to do what I feel is necessary to field a good team.  I am 
going to go out and sign free agents.  I am going to operate like other 
teams because I feel I have a foundation.  I understand our youth and 
it is not real complicated now.  We are going to fill the holes and see 
how it works. Everybody can pass judgment on it." 

"People kind of laughed at me, but they asked me what team do you want 
to pattern yourself after and I said Minnesota.  And they laughed and 
they roared.  But they drafted right and look where they are. 

"It boils down to assessing talent and hiring the best people.

"You are talking about the past, and I want to talk about the future.  
I don't know what good it does to talk about the past."

"I am telling you we are going out and getting ball players, and we are 
going to have a good team.  We are on our way up.  I cannot tell you we 
are going to have a championship caliber team (in 2004), but we will be 
a better team." 

"This is what major-league league sports is all about -- talent and 
leadership.  Alan can do a much better job if he's given talent.  He 
hasn't had a lot of talent to work with. We turned the kids over to 
him.  We knew we we're going to take a bit of a hit.  Of course, we 
didn't ever think it was going to be this severe." 
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