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tod
response 84 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 18:00 UTC 2007

Its funny because Vegas is where we go to see family.  Everyone from around
the country goes on the same weekend.
marcvh
response 85 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 18:01 UTC 2007

(#81 and #82 slipped.)

Speaking of strollers, an allegedly recent trend is for adult strollers
("mobility scooters") to be used in Vegas by able-bodied adults who
simply don't want to walk.
slynne
response 86 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 18:12 UTC 2007

resp:85 Hahaha. I have to admit that there is a little part of me that 
thinks those mobility scooters look like they could be fun. But I cant 
imagine that riding in one of those would be fun in a crowded place. 
unicorn
response 87 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 21:38 UTC 2007

#80:  "It really is a major downer in most of American society that the
libido is seen as evil.  That's where you really see a rift between
Fundies and Jews is that Torah actually calls for sensuality with your
spouse on the Sabbath."

That's funny.  I recall reading a comment somewhere made by a psychologist
or marriage counselor, or something like that, who set up practice in a
community with a lot of Orthodox Jews, and he was very surprised by the
number of young Orthodox Jewish couples who came to him for counseling
who knew almost nothing about sex.  I don't remember the particular naïve
beliefs he mentioned, but they were things you might expect to hear from
pre-teens who hadn't had either "the talk" with their parents, or sex
education in school.
tod
response 88 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 21:48 UTC 2007

re #87
Why is it weird that people who have healthy atittudes about nudity are not
sluts?  I think it makes pretty good sense.  Just look at the crazy teen
pregnancies which happen under the Christian prude socieities.
marcvh
response 89 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 21:53 UTC 2007

OK, but Orthodox Jews are the fundies of Judaism, and their views don't
necessarily reflect those of most Jews (in the US anyway.)
marcvh
response 90 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 5 23:40 UTC 2007

I guess I was under the impression that there already was a
"Family-Friendly version of Las Vegas", namely Branson, Missouri.  The
sinful one seems to be more popular, and I don't think it's just because
the airfare is often cheaper.

Getting back to #0, a recent vacation cost survey indicated that
Hawaii is the most expensive state for a family of 4 to visit, and DC
ranks second.

Of course, the methodology can be called into question, since it was
broken down on the state level.  Clearly a vacation to Manhattan will
have a very different cost structure than a vacation in the Adirondacks,
and since DC is all urban area it's different from most states.  It does
still illustrate, for better or worse, that on average DC is among the
more expensive (domestic) vacation destinations.
denise
response 91 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 20:15 UTC 2007

[Since this is a 'travel' related question and may help others in the 
future... and can be expanded upon as well, this item has been linked 
to the travel conference as item 73 in travel and its 93 in the spring 
agora [2007] conference.]  
jep
response 92 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 16:39 UTC 2007

I finally made a decision, two weeks before we'll be going on vacation.
 The only hotel search site I found which accommodates my family (2
adults, 4 kids) was Expedia.com.  Orbitz and Travelocity rebuke you with
"Our system only accommodates 4 guests per room" messages.  It seems to
me they are missing some opportunities there.  Oh, well.

Through Expedia, I found a Residence Inn by Mariott 2 bedroom suite with
kitchen, free continental breakfast and outdoor pool, which will allow 4
kids.  It'll cost us $800 for 5 nights.  It seems like a lot to me;
we'll see how it works out.  I'll have a report in July sometime, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for the many helpful suggestions!
denise
response 93 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 17:01 UTC 2007

Hmm, that comes out to be under $27 per person per night for the 2 
rooms, kitchen, breakfast, and pool; cheaper than a lot of hotel rooms 
that doesn't come with all of that [so maybe you can 'justify' the 
expense this way].  How far away are you from DC and is it close to 
public transportation?  

Good luck with the trip and have fun!
marcvh
response 94 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 17:13 UTC 2007

Most importantly, it sounds big enough that you won't all want to kill
each other after day 3, and you can't put a price on that.

If you're like me, you will go light on the souvenirs.  I was going to
buy a postcard of the Lincoln Memorial, but when I pulled out a $5 bill
to pay for it, I realized that I already had one so I put my wallet away.
slynne
response 95 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 17:46 UTC 2007

I hope you have a great trip, jep
furs
response 96 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 18:27 UTC 2007

you should take slynne with you so she can sit on the steps of capitol 
hill and sing "I'm just a bill... I'm only a bill..."
slynne
response 97 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 18:34 UTC 2007

hahaha. I would do it too! 

Plus I have a free place to crash in the DC area because my brother 
lives there. 
jep
response 98 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 19:49 UTC 2007

If you'd have mentioned that part earlier, I would have offered you
space in our car.
marcvh
response 99 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 19:57 UTC 2007

Can you actually get to the steps of Capitol Hill, or is it inside the
security perimeter?
keesan
response 100 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 01:29 UTC 2007

Do your 4 kids eat coffee and rolls for breakfast?
slynne
response 101 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 01:46 UTC 2007

Haha. Thanks Jep!

The one time I actually sat on the steps of the Capitol and sang "I'm
just a bill" you could sit on the steps but that was long before 9/11
and I havent been back to the Capitol Building since then. 
mcnally
response 102 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 03:21 UTC 2007

 re #99:  There's a security perimeter now?
edina
response 103 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 15:22 UTC 2007

I don't think so.  I think you can still walk the grounds.  I think 
they just have more security.

Re 100  Continental breakfasts at this point are a bit more than 
just "coffee and rolls".
keesan
response 104 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 15:43 UTC 2007

What does the continental mean?  
marcvh
response 105 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 15:45 UTC 2007

It means you're not getting a full English breakfast.
edina
response 106 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 16:06 UTC 2007

Re 104  I have always said that continental means "cold".  Happily, 
many chain hotels (like the Residence Inn, Hampton Inn, etc.) have 
taken to putting on a very respectable breakfast:  coffee, juice, 
milk, yogurt, hard boiled eggs, oatmeal, danishes, bagels, granola 
bars, toaster waffles, etc.  So when you take into consideration the 
cost of going out for breakfast (which for John's family could run to 
about $30 at even someplace like McDonald's), that weighs very 
favorably in with the cost of the room.
nharmon
response 107 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 16:17 UTC 2007

The Staybridge Suites we stayed at provided breakfast, and a sundowner,
which was basically dinner. 
mcnally
response 108 of 126: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 16:21 UTC 2007

 re #104:  usually it means nobody cooks anything for you and there's
 rarely table service.  In minimalist settings it can mean as little as
 having a coffee urn and a basket of stale donuts set out somewhere,
 but usually it means there will be at least some beverages, fruit, and
 pastries.  Better "continental" breakfasts usually offer more options.
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