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mynxcat
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response 83 of 122:
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Dec 16 17:51 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 84 of 122:
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Dec 16 17:54 UTC 2003 |
RE 80> I'm not sure I feel so good anymore.
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glenda
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response 85 of 122:
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Dec 16 18:40 UTC 2003 |
The real sad thing in all of this is that NextGrex was originally supposed
to come to our house for set up, with STeve and Marcus working on it and them
guiding me through most of the work. This was going to help me out with my
education in Computer Science, to have yet another person familiar with the
set up, to see if I could handle it and therefore set me up as another staff
member to do regular backups, etc. I even cleared space for it to be worked
on. Then for some reason un-named person(s) felt that the approach that STeve
and Marcus planned for getting it up and running was going to take too long
and took it off on the other track.
I was gung ho on doing this. I was looking forward to working with them and
furthering my education. I want NextGrex as much as everyone else and would
have been here, onsite so to speak, to goad STeve and Marcus into getting it
done. Chances are we would have been up and running a while ago.
STeve felt that after all the work he did to find the compents and reasonable
prices for them and getting everything ordered, and then having it pulled away
saying that the plan he and Marcus came up with was too conservative was a
slap in the face. I had to do a lot of fast talking to stop him from pulling
away from Grex completely. He has still been working on things, but is less
willing to put family and work life on hold than he was before. And I really
can't blame him for feeling that way. Grex has been a time sink for him ever
since they started about the concept of Grex. It has taken a lot of his time
away from his family. It has occasionally taken time away from work. We have
fought about Grex coming first more times than I can count. He has been proud
of being a part of Grex. Don't blame him or Marcus for being hold ups in
getting NextGrex up and running.
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tod
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response 86 of 122:
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Dec 16 19:07 UTC 2003 |
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flem
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response 87 of 122:
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Dec 16 19:27 UTC 2003 |
Okay, this is gonna come out wrong I'm sure, but please be assured I
don't mean anything negative; this is serious advice.
If you're serious about furthering your education in the computer
industry, one of the most important things to learn in order to maintain
your sanity is how to distance yourself from your projects. It's easy
for those of us who care about doing things right to become personally
attached to our projects, and to take it personally when control is
taken out of our hands. I've lost count of the number of times that a
project I was looking forward to working on was handed to someone else,
someone who I felt wouldn't do as good a job, because they had more
available time to work on it than I did. It's hard, but sometimes it's
the best thing for the project.
Jep (I think it was him) once said something that has stuck with me:
If the data on your computer is less important than the computer itself,
then your computer is a toy, not a tool. Without belaboring the
comparison too heavily, NextGrex can't be anyone's toy. It's a real
project, with real constraints. One of those constraints is time.
Exactly who does the work, in what space, and whether or not they learn
anything from it -- well, I'm sorry, but those just aren't constraints
for this project.
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aruba
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response 88 of 122:
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Dec 16 19:46 UTC 2003 |
Glenda - I'm sorry that STeve's feelings were hurt. His weren't the only
ones. I'm certain no one wanted that to happen.
The board and staff chose a strategy which we thought had the best chance
to get the system up quickly. It may have been a mistake - no one can say
for sure. But I still think we did what was for the best.
BTW, you can name me if you like.
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willcome
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response 89 of 122:
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Dec 16 20:19 UTC 2003 |
HEYM EVERONE< IT"S ARUBA"S FAULT! HEY EVERYONE! LE"TS BLAE ARUA
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jep
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response 90 of 122:
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Dec 16 21:45 UTC 2003 |
I am sure it seems like I, for one, have been trying to blame someone,
but that's really not where I am coming from. I don't care who works
on NextGrex. I am disgruntled that it's not being done.
We need to be able to have Grex, and Nextgrex, even if two people --
*any* two people -- are not available, interested, capable, well-
disposed, or happy. The responses from glenda and aruba seem to show
very clearly why.
De-centralize Grex. It can be run well by other knowledgeable people,
even if it's not done as brilliantly as if Marcus and STeve are
involved. I don't think we need brilliance much, not right now. We
need reliability.
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mynxcat
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response 91 of 122:
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Dec 16 22:04 UTC 2003 |
I tend to agree with flem on this. Working in the IT industry, there
are numerous times pet projects are taken away from you and givn to
someone else.
And Glenda, if Grex was already a time-sink for STeve, maybe it is a
good thing that someone else got to work on it, instead of two of you
working on it all of your free time.
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tod
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response 92 of 122:
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Dec 16 22:48 UTC 2003 |
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gelinas
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response 93 of 122:
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Dec 16 23:24 UTC 2003 |
Planning has begun for a weekend Next Grex Fun Fest, either later this
month or early next. The goal is to get Next Grex as near to up as we can.
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aruba
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response 94 of 122:
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Dec 17 01:22 UTC 2003 |
That's great, Joe. Please keep us informed.
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glenda
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response 95 of 122:
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Dec 17 02:39 UTC 2003 |
I'm sorry, I didn't make myself completely clear.
I meant that I find it ironic it was felt that STeve's and Marcus's approach
to getting NextGrex up was too time consuming. It was felt that in doing so
NextGrex would be up faster... If we had followed the path that they had
planned, it would be up and running by now.
As for it being educational for me. I was looking forward to it. I am not
very disappointed. I will still get that education in putting up an OpenBSD
box for myself, pretty much with the same equipment that NextGrex is using.
It is just that if I had done it with NextGrex I would have been pushed to
do it. Doing it for my own box will wait until I get around to-it. All I
have at the moment is rectangular and triangular to-its :-) It would have
been interesting and I was looking forward to helping Grex in that manner.
Oh, well, so it goes.
I had meant to point out that the time sink of Grex on STeve's part was more
of a: If Grex needed his services, he would do his best to be there to
provide them even if it meant other aspects of life had to go on hold for a
bit. The big things did't/don't bother me. I love Grex and want what is best
for it, if it takes my husband away at times I accept it. What bothers me
is that STeve can become all-consumed by things. I.e. I am going up to bed,
he says he will be along in a minute and finally comes up 2-4 hours later.
When I ask why, it is because he found something or was doing some little
thing that led to another on Grex. He didn't realize how long he spent doing
"some little thing," he looses all track of time when doing something he cares
about. This is one of the reasons I fell in love with him. It can, however,
get aggravating at times. Especially when being awakened in the wee morning
hours by a husband that should have already been asleep.
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cross
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response 96 of 122:
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Dec 17 03:25 UTC 2003 |
Glenda, you don't need physical access to the nextgrex hardware in order
to work on it; if you're still interested, I'm sure arrangements can be
made for you to access it remotely.
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naftee
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response 97 of 122:
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Dec 19 04:40 UTC 2003 |
NextGreX.
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janc
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response 98 of 122:
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Dec 21 18:35 UTC 2003 |
I have only skimmed the above.
Paying me would make little difference in the short term. I have a contract,
I can't really take on another until this one is done. It might prevent me
from having to take another contract immediately after this one comes along
(assuming that one is offered to me), but only if you are paying a competitive
rate, and frankly, Grex can't afford that. The work I've done so far this
morning would have cost Grex most of it's income for the month. It's also
unnecessary. I want to work on Grex. Given some decent blocks of free time,
I will.
I'm very disappointed with the time it has taken for things to get done. The
system got built fast. The OS was installed, and I installed my nearly all
of my software quickly too. Then we spent months waiting around for others
to do anything. I was supposed to install OpenBSD 3.4 about a month ago.
It took me longer than I expected to get around to it, but it's done now.
I don't honestly believe that anyone was waiting for me to install OpenBSD
3.4.
I'm pretty pleased that I was able to install OpenBSD and reinstall all the
software that I'd previously installed and all the software that Dan
Gryniewicz had installed in just two working days. Everything is documented
and most of the installation steps are scripted. This pass through things
required various fixes to the install scripts, and I did much improvement
of hte documentation, but it went pretty well all in all. My goal is to
eventually get to the point where a new Grex can be built from a bare machine,
a net connection and the cvs archive by one person in 24 hours.
Some of the work that was done on the old new Grex was not documented. This
includes the 'pf' config, the quotas, and the login mods to allow Grex
style passwords to be used. My next task is to try to figure out what was
done and get documented and back up.
I guess I also need to talk to Marcus.
I'm not sure what to say to Glenda's comments. NextGrex should have been up
by now, certainly. If there was ever a plan to house NextGrex at STeve's
house, I never heard about it. My thinking was that once it was on the net,
it didn't much matter where it was, as anyone anywhere could connect to it.
The advantage of my house is that there are two Grex staffers living and
working here, so there is someone available to do reboots nearly 24x7x365.
I guess the handling of all that resulted in STeve and Glenda being a bit
put out. I'm sorry about that. I'd certainly do anything in my power to
make it possible for them to contribute to this effort.
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gelinas
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response 99 of 122:
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Dec 21 19:49 UTC 2003 |
I kept a copy of the pf information on my own machine, just in case I never
got it properly committed in cvs.
I'll transfer it back to the new grex machine later today.
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cross
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response 100 of 122:
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Dec 21 20:00 UTC 2003 |
The login.conf stuff was done by me, and is simple. I'll write up
documentation for it.
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naftee
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response 101 of 122:
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Dec 21 22:08 UTC 2003 |
Which'll probably be skimmed.
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janc
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response 102 of 122:
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Dec 22 06:02 UTC 2003 |
Dan: I looked in your directory, found the login.conf stuff and
installed it and documented it. You're right it was simple. (And, I think,
the correct solution).
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gelinas
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response 103 of 122:
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Dec 22 07:43 UTC 2003 |
I've now moved the pf.conf back on to the new grex machine, worked it over
some more to get it closer to what we need, and enabled it. I've also
moved over a copy of the document I wrote way back when. All of this has
now been committed to CVS.
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janc
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response 104 of 122:
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Dec 22 16:54 UTC 2003 |
Great. Thanks.
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naftee
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response 105 of 122:
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Dec 23 08:28 UTC 2003 |
Thanks Joe!!
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dpc
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response 106 of 122:
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Jan 5 22:01 UTC 2004 |
If NextGrex had been up last Sunday (1/4) would the mail disk have
died? I thought we were replacing the disks; I may have been wrong.
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aruba
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response 107 of 122:
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Jan 5 23:10 UTC 2004 |
Yes, NextGrex has all new disks.
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