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orinoco
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response 83 of 151:
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Aug 3 06:00 UTC 2001 |
(In Douglas Hofsteader's book _Goedel, Escher, Bach,_ he comes up with an
analogy for proof by counterexample using record players. The Tortoise keeps
buying new record players. The Crab can always come up with a record that
will blow the latest player to bits. In that sense, he's got
the advantage.
Sometimes, the Crab thinks he's noticed a pattern in the Tortoise's
players. He takes advantage of that pattern to make a record that will
destroy -- he hopes -- any player at all. But the Tortoise can always
gain the upper hand by making a new player that doesn't follow the old
pattern. In that sense, the Tortoise has the advantage.
Douglas Hofsteader is a strange, strange man.)
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danr
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response 84 of 151:
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Aug 3 15:52 UTC 2001 |
re #82:
When I try to pull up that article, I get:
Sorry, This article is unavailable at the current time - every effort
is being made to get it back up and running as quickly as possible.
It's a conspiracy! Seriously, though, off the top of my head, I don't
see how they could put anything on a CD that would damage speakers.
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gull
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response 85 of 151:
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Aug 3 18:32 UTC 2001 |
Speakers don't tolerate square waves at high volumes well. Back before CD
players were savvy enough to refuse to play data CDs, it was pretty well
known that the digital 'hash' generated by trying to play one could blow
speakers.
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krj
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response 86 of 151:
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Aug 3 20:53 UTC 2001 |
From the Chicago Sun-Times:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-mp02.html
Northwestern University fires a secretary for having 2000 MP3
files on her computer. She wasn't running Napster; the University
long ago blocked it.
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krj
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response 87 of 151:
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Aug 3 21:32 UTC 2001 |
Another review of Jessica Litman's discouraging book "Digital Copyright:"
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/books/reviews/20010720_hodes.html
The reviewer writes that Litman's optimistic conclusion that the DMCA
would end up being ignored has been overturned by the destruction of
Napster, which had not yet happened when the book was written.
Other than that, the reviewer agress with Litman: copyright law no
longer represents the will of the people expressed through their
legislators, but instead it is dictated by the large corporations and
becomes a club to beat the public with.
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010802/re/music_internet_dc_1.html
A Reuters story on proposed legislation being developed in the US House
by Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va) and Rep. Christopher Cannon (R-Utah).
They propose to loosen copyright laws to help online music businesses
get up and running without being destroyed by lawsuits.
The key seems to be a plan to extend radio-style compulsory mechanical
licensing to online music services. "This would mean there would be
one royalty pool, elminating the need for a Web-based service to
negotiate with individual artists, labels, music publishers and
songwriters." ((I *told* y'all this was coming.))
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010727/tc/net_music_faces_patent_squeeze_
1.html
(careful with the wrapped URL)
The Intouch Group has been given a patent which they claim covers most
or all downloaded music. Lawsuits are flying. The courts have not
yet had the sense to laugh this patent out of existence.
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danr
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response 88 of 151:
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Aug 4 02:19 UTC 2001 |
re #85: That may be true, but I'd guess that while square waves may
have been written to the CD, by the time the signal actually got to the
speaker, they'd be fairly well rounded off, especially in low-end
equipment.
Let's get one of these CDs, hook the audio output to a dummy load, and
scope it out.
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scott
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response 89 of 151:
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Aug 4 02:57 UTC 2001 |
A square wave is easily maintained through even a cheap receiver and amp.
It's the speakers which have trouble moving instantaneously from + to -.
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krj
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response 90 of 151:
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Aug 4 03:37 UTC 2001 |
There have been "conventional" recordings which were infamous for
containing square waves and having equipment-damaging potential.
Usually these would be recordings of the 1812 Overture with the
cannons driven into clipping in the recording.
However, the trick in the Cactus system is the claim that the
CD data is manipulated so that the original disc plays musically
and safely, while a copy produces noise, and could be manipulated
to produce a square wave.
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mdw
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response 91 of 151:
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Aug 4 05:43 UTC 2001 |
That really doesn't make sense - it's all digital stuff - just 576 byte
blocks of data -- either you copy it, or you don't -- a CD-R is going to
see just the same bits on the disk that a CD player will, baring weird
chemistry or physics trying to play "tricks" with different kinds of
lasers.
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mcnally
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response 92 of 151:
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Aug 4 13:03 UTC 2001 |
Marcus raises the obvious objection. Either there's something more
to this scheme than explained in the press reports or Cactus is some
kind of pseudo-technological scam intended to soak panic-stricken
recording execs..
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scott
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response 93 of 151:
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Aug 4 13:11 UTC 2001 |
The theory is that an audio CD player will realize that the data makes no
sense, and fix the obvious errors. Normally such errors would be the result
of corrupted data; ie a scratch or other physical damage. A CD data read
would read the data as-is, then lay it down on a new CD as good data. But
yeah, why wouldn't the audio read of the copy fix the same problem? Maybe
there's a checksum involved which aids the fixing of the bad data on the
original?
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mdw
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response 94 of 151:
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Aug 5 01:35 UTC 2001 |
Yes, but whatever's happening is *probably* something that CD-RW
software can do just as well. I'm not sure there's any checksum (or
that there isn't)--I do know though that when used to store data
(CD-Rom) only 512 bytes of data are stored in the 576 bytes -- the
remaining 64 bytes of data are used to store (I think) ECC data to
repair any minor read errors -- this isn't done for audio because a
1-bit error in audio data is typically not audible. That suggests to me
that there isn't any checksum on the audio data.
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gull
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response 95 of 151:
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Aug 6 14:35 UTC 2001 |
It probably has something to do with the underlying subcode tracks on the CD
that audio players use but CD-ROM drives can't copy, but that's just a
guess. I remember that this was why Playstation CDs couldn't be copied and
the copies run in an unmodified Playstation -- the boot code for the
Playstation was hidden in those subcodes. Supposedly you can fit about 2
megabytes in there, spread across the entire disc.
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krj
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response 96 of 151:
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Aug 6 19:28 UTC 2001 |
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6788999.html
"Department of Justice to probe online music ventures"
Quotes:
> The Justice Department opened an antitrust
> investigation of the online
> music business, focusing on two new joint ventures
> backed by five major record
> labels, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.
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> The government is also expected to examine the
> major record companies' use of copyright
> rules and licensing practices to control online
> distribution of their music, according to these
> people, the report said.
...
> According to the report, a lawyer familiar with
> the Justice Department investigation said that it
> isn't unusual for joint ventures among competitors
> to attract antitrust scrutiny and that many
> such ventures have been permitted to continue operating.
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mdw
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response 97 of 151:
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Aug 7 07:02 UTC 2001 |
At least some CD-RW players are (as best I can tell) capable of copying
all the subcode data as well. Any CD-RW player has to be capable of
copying the P and Q subcodes - I believe it's integral to how it knows
the difference between data & audio, and other important stuff. Some
common tricks used for copyprotection include a bad table of contents
block (apparently audio players don't need to use it...?), and
scattering bad sectors or data on the disk. The bad sectors can cause
data under-runs if you're copying from CD to CD, but I don't see how
those can break things if you use the HD as a buffer. I don't entirely
understand how a bad table of contents can break things, but that's the
claim. It sounds to me like something that could at least in theory be
programmed around, if you were "clever".
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krj
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response 98 of 151:
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Aug 9 16:24 UTC 2001 |
Today's web news stories:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6820135.html
"Napster blasts court's technical meddling"
Napster complains that the court-appointed technical master, who was
supposed to settle technical issues of fact, has been given unprecedented
and unjustifiable authority to run the engineering side of the Napster
company.
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http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6817555.html
The record companies ask the judge to skip the Napster trial and deliver
a summary judgement against Napster.
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http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6816989.html
Napster's new CEO outlines the hypothetical Napster subscription arrangement.
((Your weblog writer thinks that this has become completely irrelevant.
Napster Inc. has two possible outcomes: either it will be vaporized by the
court judgement, or else it will die from lack of users.))
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http://musicdish.com/mag/?id=4333
"Putting the Pieces Together: An End To End Solution for Protecting Music"
A music business fantasy about how our ability to copy CDs and music
files will be restricted, and how we'll all put up with it just fine.
Notice the handwaving where the writer assumes that no one will want to
put up with second-generation music files which have been passed through
the analog domain to strip out all copy restrictions...
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scott
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response 99 of 151:
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Aug 9 17:50 UTC 2001 |
The MusicDish article is amusing. Serious math/logic errors in the first
paragraph. I really doubt that 30 million people are getting their music via
online sharing, especially not for one specific album.
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micklpkl
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response 100 of 151:
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Aug 10 14:17 UTC 2001 |
Speaking of fantasies, here's a link to an article that reports on the
recording industry's hopes to phase out CDs:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5095272,00.html?chkpt=zdnnp1t
p02
Basically, a company called Intertrust will provide the Digital Rights
Management (DRM) format for DataPlay-enabled devices. The DataPlay discs have
yet to hit the market, but are purported to be small and portable, about the
size of a quarter.
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mcnally
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response 101 of 151:
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Aug 10 14:58 UTC 2001 |
I'm not sure I want my music to be recorded on media "the size of a quarter"
if the record companies are going to pesist in charging nearly twenty
dollars for new recordings.
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anderyn
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response 102 of 151:
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Aug 10 16:01 UTC 2001 |
Gee. You know, that DataPlay device sounds an awful lot like a minidisc
player. Hmmmmm. (Twila goes back to contemplating her minidiscs.)
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gull
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response 103 of 151:
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Aug 10 16:29 UTC 2001 |
Considering that these players cost four times what a low-end CD player does
now, and that the discs aren't likely to sound any better than CDs (maybe
even worse, since they're compressed), this is going to be a hard sell.
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hematite
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response 104 of 151:
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Aug 10 16:41 UTC 2001 |
I'd be afraid I would lose them too easily being the size of a quarter.
It would be handier to carry around and seemingly light.. Feh I have
enough trouble keeping track of my minidiscs. :)
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lowclass
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response 105 of 151:
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Aug 10 21:37 UTC 2001 |
The size of a quarter? How about the durability of a quarter? you stick
CD recording technology in you're pocket, and you destroy it.
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krj
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response 106 of 151:
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Aug 10 21:59 UTC 2001 |
http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2001/6cd.html
"6 CDs a Year, or, Consumers and record labels are at war."
Nothing too original here, but it's a nice essay. It does point out
that in the conventional economics models, the progress of technology
is supposed to lower prices so that consumers can get more bang
for their bucks, but the record industry is using its oligopoly power
as best they can to prevent this from happening.
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anderyn
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response 107 of 151:
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Aug 11 16:36 UTC 2001 |
I was thinking about this yesterday after I talked to Drew at work -- he went
to Borders to buy the "O Brother Where art Thou?" and "Songcatcher"
soundtracks. And he said that the clerks were so unhelpful and so unclued that
he gave up and went to Best Buy. (Which is a comment on the staffing at teh
downtown Borders going downhill... in and of itself). But then I was thinking
that a major reason for people not buying records is the problem of where to
get them -- I know that a lot of people do buy on line, but most of the people
I know don't as a rule. Music for a lot of people is something they still want
to look at, ponder, all that -- and without some record stores that cater to
that need, a lot of people will stop buying. And of course the cost factor
doesn't help. Just some random musings.
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