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happyboy
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response 81 of 241:
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Aug 18 21:59 UTC 2003 |
yeah...nature pretty much sucks.
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tod
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response 82 of 241:
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Aug 18 22:01 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 83 of 241:
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Aug 18 22:10 UTC 2003 |
re80 and fatsos are openly harrassed in our society!
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jep
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response 84 of 241:
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Aug 19 01:16 UTC 2003 |
I am sure some people don't want to see homosexuality endorsed, and
oppose a school for homosexuals on those grounds. I'm sure others are
all for a gay school in order to get the homosexuals away from their
(they hope) heterosexual kids, "so they don't go giving ideas to *my*
kids".
There'll be some parents who force their kids to go to the gay
school. Some will hope their kids *will* be gay. Others will want to
keep their kids away from kids they might have sex with. Some will
probably send their kids there to have them preach against the immoral
gays. I wonder how the New York Public School System would deal with
that one?
None of these possibilities, nor the one mentioned in resp:80, cancel
out any of the arguments for or against a gay school. There are
probably good reasons to have one, and good reasons to oppose having
one.
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oval
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response 85 of 241:
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Aug 19 06:46 UTC 2003 |
..and then there will be the macho bigots who hangout outside the gay school
after school for some good old fashioned gay bashing.
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gull
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response 86 of 241:
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Aug 19 14:44 UTC 2003 |
Re #74: I don't know if I agree with that. My experience was that
bullying was worst in junior high, tapered off in high school, and I can
only think of one instance in college of what I'd call "bullying". I'm
not sure that being exposed to bullying in school does anything to
prepare people for the real world, because unless you're talking about
prison or redneck bars the real world just isn't like junior high
school. For me I think it actually made the real world harder for me to
deal with; it caused me to develop some social anxieties I'm still
trying to overcome.
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polytarp
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response 87 of 241:
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Aug 19 17:11 UTC 2003 |
The UN was just blown up. And it's the US's fault, because they're the
adminstration of the host country, and are therefore in charge of security.
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tod
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response 88 of 241:
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Aug 19 18:39 UTC 2003 |
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keesan
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response 89 of 241:
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Aug 19 19:44 UTC 2003 |
We had a small asphalted yard for the girls and a bigger one for the boys with
high chainlink fences around them (to keep us from escaping). We had no
playground equipment or balls (someone might hurt themself). We were allowed
jumpropes and circle games, and we traded Christmas seals (at a Jewish
school). The boys traded baseball cards. They were allowed to throw them.
The teachers watched every move. Nobody bullied anyone. The best Christmas
seals had glitter or velvet. They came in punchout books.
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russ
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response 90 of 241:
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Aug 19 23:26 UTC 2003 |
People who say "kids should just get used to it" DON'T GET IT.
School isn't like work, or life, or anything else. There are legal
protections for workers, and almost everyone has the option of getting
a new job if they don't care for the environment. In real life, you
can leave; work is a reasonably natural environment in that respect.
Schools are the exact opposite: students are trapped by mandatory
attendance laws and appear to have next to no legal or institutional
protections at all against harassment by peers. They are caged up
like animals and sometimes not treated much better. Today's schools
are like prisons in more ways than just their architecture.
At the extreme, the option is to drop out. However, dropping out
of school is very prejudicial. Failing to get a good GPA makes
it very difficult to get into college, and having only a GED is
a serious black mark. Dropping out to get relief from chronic
harassment is close to educational suicide. It shouldn't surprise
anyone that teen suicide is a serious problem; it surprises me
that it is as low as it is, and that cornered-animal backlashes
like Columbine are not monthly events.
One thing I do know: until students are treated like real people,
with similar responsibilities *and rights*, this problem is only
going to get worse.
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tod
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response 91 of 241:
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Aug 20 03:32 UTC 2003 |
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novomit
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response 92 of 241:
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Aug 20 12:02 UTC 2003 |
School bullying is a serious issue. I was harassed for a long time in school.
It didn't stop till I pulled a gun on someone. I didn't use it, but if that
kid had taken another step towards me, I would have. No, I wasn't a gang
member or a drug dealer. Just someone who finally got fed up. You want real
life, you got it. The poster who said that people in authority don't care
about what is fair is totally correct. They don't. You have to look after
yourself, even if it means using deadly force.
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slynne
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response 93 of 241:
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Aug 20 15:50 UTC 2003 |
uh. no. Deadly force would be a really dumb option since it probably
would result in someone being sent to prison for the rest of their
life. And if you think the bullys in HIGHSCHOOL are bad, imagine what
it is like in prison. eep. Besides, it is wrong to kill someone even if
one has been bullied by them.
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happyboy
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response 94 of 241:
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Aug 20 17:49 UTC 2003 |
r92: what she said.
/laughs and shove you into gym locker
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tod
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response 95 of 241:
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Aug 20 19:05 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 96 of 241:
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Aug 21 01:25 UTC 2003 |
you forgot to call him a dork.
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tod
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response 97 of 241:
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Aug 21 03:52 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 98 of 241:
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Aug 21 15:18 UTC 2003 |
True, bullying is a serious issue in schools, but having a separate
school for every category of students is not the answer. Where is it
going to end? A separate school for the fatties, a separate school for
geeks, a separate school for freaks, a separate school for jocks?
Solve bullying at the core, don't create hide-outs for it
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slynne
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response 99 of 241:
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Aug 21 16:32 UTC 2003 |
What difference does it make. It isnt *really* a seperate school for
gay kids since they allow anyone in. It is, however, a school where
sexuality will be openly discussed. I dont thinkthat is really possible
in main stream schools since so many parents, teachers and fellow
students probably are resistant to the idea.
When I was growing up, their was a special school in Detroit for
immigrant kids. They did this so they could have all the 'English as a
Second Language' classes in one building. And also so these kids
wouldnt feel all alone. Of course they allowed any kid in who wanted in
so it wasnt exactly a special school for foreigners.
I think that as long as the school district allows anyone in the
district into these special schools, there is no problem with them. I
think it makes school districts better when they have lots of choices
for people. More choices is better than fewer choices. This school in
NYC is just another option for folks. If you dont like it, dont send
your kids there.
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mynxcat
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response 100 of 241:
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Aug 21 16:47 UTC 2003 |
The impression I got was this was a school for gays, and they were
contemplating how they would limit admission to it. May have changed
since then, I haven't been keeping close tabs.
If what you say is true in para 1, sure that's a great idea. But
touting it as a "gay school" isn't the right way to do it
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happyboy
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response 101 of 241:
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Aug 21 17:13 UTC 2003 |
they should make all the schools gay.
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gull
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response 102 of 241:
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Aug 21 17:23 UTC 2003 |
"Gaywads, Dorkwads Sign Historic Wad Accord"
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tod
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response 103 of 241:
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Aug 21 17:48 UTC 2003 |
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scott
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response 104 of 241:
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Aug 21 17:53 UTC 2003 |
Homer: The entire steel mill was gay!
Moe: Where you been, Homer? Whole steel industry is gay.
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tpryan
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response 105 of 241:
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Aug 21 18:15 UTC 2003 |
Sure start a school just for geeks, then you will have the geeks
competing with each other to become Big Man on Campus anyway, as they
separate the most attrative, socialily capable, knowledgeable, etc
from the geekiest of the geeks. If you don't think it would happen,
visit any Science Fiction ConVention.
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