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mynxcat
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response 80 of 132:
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Nov 10 21:55 UTC 2003 |
I hear ya, Dan. You did your best.
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sholmes
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response 81 of 132:
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Nov 11 01:19 UTC 2003 |
I would agree with mynxcat.
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willcome
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response 82 of 132:
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Nov 11 01:25 UTC 2003 |
He didn't. In fact, he did an awful job which he knew was awful. And
I'm preparing legistlation which'll make sure he's forced to resign
because of it.
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cross
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response 83 of 132:
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Nov 11 02:08 UTC 2003 |
Oh, screw it.
I'm actually so disgusted by Mary's comments on my action, that you don't
have to prepare any legistlation, polytarp. I resign from staff as it is.
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other
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response 84 of 132:
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Nov 11 02:12 UTC 2003 |
I'm sorry you dont have the right combination of thick skin and grasp of the
subtleties of balancing effective administration with respect for the rights
of idiots and assholes who abuse them anyway to stay on staff, Dan. ;)
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keesan
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response 85 of 132:
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Nov 11 02:38 UTC 2003 |
Please don't resign.
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willcome
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response 86 of 132:
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Nov 11 03:10 UTC 2003 |
He already did, keesan, and good riddance.
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gelinas
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response 87 of 132:
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Nov 11 04:06 UTC 2003 |
(We've had other staff members resign and then change their mind. There has
been no problem putting them back to work, when they are willing to help out.)
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willcome
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response 88 of 132:
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Nov 11 04:10 UTC 2003 |
Nope. cross is not allowed back.
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jaklumen
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response 89 of 132:
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Nov 11 04:25 UTC 2003 |
"I don't love you anymore, momma!"
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jep
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response 90 of 132:
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Nov 11 04:34 UTC 2003 |
Dan, I'd appreciate it if you'd stay on the staff, too. I think you
contribute a lot. Specifically, NextGrex needs you very much.
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glenda
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response 91 of 132:
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Nov 11 04:49 UTC 2003 |
Don't listen to twirps, and don't let them drive you away.
RE #88: You really don't have any say in the matter of who is on staff and
who isn't. And we won't allow immature little boys like you set policy here.
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naftee
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response 92 of 132:
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Nov 11 04:55 UTC 2003 |
re 83
My God, this really was a personal battle for you, wasn't it? is this the
first time you've been involved with banning harmful users? Is this the first
time you've been wrong? Have you finally lost touch with reality;
specifically, the things you've either done wrong or right?
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naftee
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response 93 of 132:
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Nov 11 05:06 UTC 2003 |
re 83 cross, in response 33 of this item you mention that constructive
criticism is "prefectly fine" with you. But now you are saying you are
"disgusted" by Mrs. Remmers' response(s). Please explain.
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willcome
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response 94 of 132:
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Nov 11 07:01 UTC 2003 |
91: Why's cross on staff, then?
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tsty
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response 95 of 132:
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Nov 11 10:34 UTC 2003 |
for starters .... he's better than you! s'nuff fer me. any queations?
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mary
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response 96 of 132:
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Nov 11 11:47 UTC 2003 |
Oh for heaven's sake. Cross, you are brand spanking new to
staff. There is a learning curve. You have some rough
edges. None of this means you won't fit in nicely but
you'll need to ask some questions and listen to the answers
to make that process easier.
I'm not going to detail where I think this specific situation
could have gone better. That would only feed the problem.
But the very first thing to keep in mind is not to take
it personal. The second is that we have an open newuser
and that's non-negotiable. So someone who is coming in and
dumping lots and lots of files and then going away will
probably need a slightly different approach from someone who
is looking for lots of attention.
And I'll compliment you on this - you are eager and willing to
help out. That's a huge plus right now. But, at least in the
beginning, think it through and maybe ask those who have been
doing this a very long time if your plan is sound.
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scott
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response 97 of 132:
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Nov 11 12:07 UTC 2003 |
Actually we do on occasion site-block. We feel shitty about having to do so,
but at times it has been necessary.
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mynxcat
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response 98 of 132:
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Nov 11 15:40 UTC 2003 |
I really have no say, but if you have a couple of kids coming on as newuser
and causing rtrouble repeatedly, you either report them to their authorities
- and who is really going to do that? - or you block their source. If what
someone said up there is tue - that at most 2 people came in via the blocked
sub-nets, then I think it was the right decision. Or spend valuable staff time
cleaning up after these vandals. And I think most people will agree that with
NextGrex on the charts, staff needs all the time they can get.
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flem
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response 99 of 132:
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Nov 11 18:59 UTC 2003 |
Cross, I hope you will reconsider your resignation also, but before
making any decisions, please be aware (as I'm sure you are, now if not
before) that being staff requires quite a thick skin.
Think of it this way, cross. Grex is currently under attack by a
different kind of vandal activity: someone is using a social
engineering attack to try to drive away one of our newest staff members.
Staff is one of grex's most important resources and certainly one of
the most scarce. If you resign, the vandal will have seriously damaged
Grex.
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carson
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response 100 of 132:
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Nov 11 19:10 UTC 2003 |
(I hadn't said anything earlier because I have no doubt that Dan had
taken the right action, I didn't feel compelled to reiterate the
obvious, and had no reason to believe that anyone would seriously
disagree.)
(oh well.) :P
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gull
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response 101 of 132:
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Nov 11 20:44 UTC 2003 |
I agree with #100.
Besides, if cross resigns, the terrorists win. ;>
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cmcgee
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response 102 of 132:
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Nov 11 20:55 UTC 2003 |
I too tend to stay out of conversations when I agree with staff. My thinking
is that needless additional postings just drag out the controversy.
I will say, specifically, that I expect staff to use their best individual
judgment. If, in retrospect, other staff members or other users say, "maybe
next time, you might consider....", then I read that as support for the
current decision, and light being shed on the complexity of that decision,
which may have looked simple at the time.
I think cross did the right thing. I think he should stay on staff. I think
listening to other points of view and mulling them over; asking other staff
to think/talk through the process; and having a different set of tools
available when the next incident happens is what we all do, all of the time.
There is no need to turn a staff decision into a confidence-vote every time
the user in question whines. Staff is chosen because we trust their decision
processes, not because we expect perfection. If I _dont_ trust the process,
I say that in this forum. If I don't say anything, its because I think the
process is working just fine. .
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willcome
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response 103 of 132:
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Nov 11 21:11 UTC 2003 |
Keep in mind that cross has attempted to stop people from using this forum
to criticise blantantly poor decisions he made, and, when the people were able
to do it regardless, he responded by resigning. Surely, Grex does not need
to be staffed by people who "rock against free speech".
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mynxcat
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response 104 of 132:
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Nov 11 21:20 UTC 2003 |
Uhm, yeah, whatever
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