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mcnally
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response 80 of 290:
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Jan 25 02:48 UTC 2006 |
Why not just hook the TV up to a VCR or DVD player?
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keesan
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response 81 of 290:
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Jan 25 02:50 UTC 2006 |
I dont' know. They could also hook up to a dish on the roof. I think he
wants to prove the TVs will work with cable.
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gull
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response 82 of 290:
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Jan 25 03:10 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:74: I think Pat's problem with it may be that only the
already-converted would buy his channel, thus eliminating his chance to
preach to unbelievers. I understand some minority-targeted channels
also worry that their audience buy-in would be too low to support their
programming.
(Side note: Just heard today that UPN and WB have folded. The most
popular stuff from the two of them is going to be merged into a new
CBS-Warner channel called CW.)
Re resp:77: That's cool, but it wouldn't work for me. I need my Daily
Show. :)
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n8nxf
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response 83 of 290:
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Jan 25 14:25 UTC 2006 |
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slynne
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response 84 of 290:
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Jan 25 14:39 UTC 2006 |
resp:79 Do the Kiwanis need digital cable or can they sell tv's with
analog cable? Comcast has an $11/mo analog option that only includes
broadcast channels. Even if you need digital, they may have something
similar. Call them and ask.
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marcvh
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response 85 of 290:
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Jan 25 15:36 UTC 2006 |
Comcast's basic option generally includes digital versions of the
broadcast channels, but I find it hard to imagine that the Kiwanis are
reselling almost-new expensive televisions. Most likely they just want
to have cable at their facility, and "testing TVs" is the excuse to
justify it. It's pretty easy to tell from the configuration options
whether a TV is cable-ready, and virtually all TVs for something like the
past twenty years have been cable-ready. Do the Kiwanis resell a lot of
TVs from the seventies?
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rcurl
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response 86 of 290:
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Jan 25 18:22 UTC 2006 |
I tried to ask earlier about some properties of WiFi networks but I guess
I asked in an unclear manner as no one answered. Here are my questions.
Can others detect my "closed" network (i.e., I have SSID broadcast turned
off)? If so, how?
And, if they can, how difficult is it to them connect to my network (apart
from security options like WEP)?
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twenex
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response 87 of 290:
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Jan 25 18:25 UTC 2006 |
WPA is much more secure than WEP.
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mcnally
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response 88 of 290:
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Jan 25 18:32 UTC 2006 |
re #86:
> Can others detect my "closed" network (i.e., I have SSID broadcast turned
> off)? If so, how?
Yes. Basically just by having their cards listen for traffic using a utility
designed for the purpose..
> And, if they can, how difficult is it to them connect to my network (apart
> from security options like WEP)?
I've never bothered but my impression is it's comparatively easy.
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rcurl
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response 89 of 290:
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Jan 25 19:06 UTC 2006 |
(My base station doesn't offer WPA. What's wrong with WEP if the key is
changed frequently?)
Can that utility learn my SSID? Doesn't another system need that to connect?
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springne
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response 90 of 290:
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Jan 25 19:32 UTC 2006 |
Yesterday, Time Warner dropped off my 24 port fiber switch and a rack mount
ups to go with it. Fired it up and I've got servers running today!
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keesan
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response 91 of 290:
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Jan 25 23:21 UTC 2006 |
Kiwanis sell TVs from the 70s and even the 60s (with tubes). Nobody watches
TV there, they are just sold. Is there some way I can look up online the
cheapest possible business option? The person who decided to pay for this
cable service won't pay for an ISP for himself (but does pay for grex). His
logic escapes me. He could get broadband for kiwanis at 1/4 the price, set
up computers with adsl modems, and sell those for more than TVs.
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marcvh
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response 92 of 290:
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Jan 25 23:45 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, www.comcast.com. I don't think they support lynx though.
I'm trying to think of what the free market price of a forty-year-old TV
with no remote, a 300 ohm antenna input, a fussy tuner that requires constant
adjustment of knobs that nobody has heard of like "horizontal hold", and so
on. Unless it's some sort of collector's item, I'm thinking it's negative
since it's full of hazardous materials that cost money to have disposed.
I certainly hope they're not selling them to people who lack the money
(or the willingness) to properly dispose of it when it breaks.
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keesan
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response 93 of 290:
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Jan 26 01:45 UTC 2006 |
We sold one turqouise one maybe from the 50s (when was turquose faddish?).
And they still sometimes get in small portables BW (7 or 9" diagonals).
People come to Kiwanis looking for antiques. Reel-to-reel tape decks
fetch a lot, as do good turntables. There is a jukebox for sale.
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slynne
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response 94 of 290:
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Jan 26 14:09 UTC 2006 |
Sindi, the broadcast only option is not one they advertise. You have to
call them and ask about it specifically.
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marcvh
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response 95 of 290:
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Jan 26 14:28 UTC 2006 |
It's not advertised, but it is listed on their web site (in my area anyway)
as "limited cable service."
Turntables are an example of an old technology which is still of some
value, and also which is sufficiently durable that old ones are still
useful. Television is not.
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twenex
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response 96 of 290:
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Jan 26 14:36 UTC 2006 |
I heard somewhere that sales of turntables are actually increasing.
Old TV's not usable? Au contraire. Until High Definition Digital Television
stomps all over bog-standard analogue transmissions, even old black and white
televisions will be USABLE, if not particularly desirable.
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marcvh
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response 97 of 290:
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Jan 26 17:08 UTC 2006 |
I didn't say they are not usable, I said they are not useful.
Relic TVs may still work, but they don't do anything that can't be done
better by newer TVs. They have parts that tend to wear out over time
and can't be serviced in a cost-effective fashion any more. Newer TVs
are better in every way and are very cheap.
Turntables, by contrast, don't have consumable components like tubes
and may still be possible to fix basic parts like needles and such. New
turntables are not readily available, and what there is caters to the
high end (DJs who scratch records, or audiophiles who don't mind paying
$1000 for a really good turntable.) That means an old turntable is
still useful for some people.
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slynne
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response 98 of 290:
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Jan 26 18:17 UTC 2006 |
Well. I have a couple of seriously old tv sets. One of them, I have had
for over 10 years and it was already so old when I got it that it had
been placed in the bathroom in my parents master bedroom. My Dad said
that he wanted to be able to watch TV while taking a bath but I have a
feeling based on how quickly my mother was willing to give me the set
that that wasnt actually the case. It wasnt so old that it had tubes
though. Anyways, it is still working and is up in my guest bedroom.
I currently have four TV sets in my house. I am thinking about buying a
new one though because all four are pretty old. Then, I think I will
get rid of three of the others and just have two.
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keesan
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response 99 of 290:
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Jan 27 05:16 UTC 2006 |
Old TV sets are cheaper than cheap new ones - they are free. We gave away
our only TV set last week to Kiwanis. It worked fine but there was nothing
we wanted to watch. And lots of good books in the library.
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tod
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response 100 of 290:
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Jan 27 17:13 UTC 2006 |
Dont the older TV's suck more electricity?
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nharmon
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response 101 of 290:
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Jan 27 17:25 UTC 2006 |
They're the SUVs of televisions.
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marcvh
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response 102 of 290:
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Jan 27 17:49 UTC 2006 |
Yeah, more hazmats too. And I don't understand how this organization
makes money by giving away TVs for free; volume maybe?
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mcnally
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response 103 of 290:
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Jan 27 18:01 UTC 2006 |
Maybe it's a loss leader. You give the television away but charge
a nickel for the coaxial cable that goes with it, thus practically
guaranteeing a nickel in revenue for each one you sell.. ;-)
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marcvh
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response 104 of 290:
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Jan 27 18:26 UTC 2006 |
Not coaxial, 300 ohm twin-lead (the stuff that was obsolete twenty years
ago.) You can get a 2m Monster Cable twin-lead cable for $85. I think
you can still use it to hook up your Pong game (but you shouldn't, since
sets of that era had horrendous burn-in problems.)
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