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Grex > Music3 > #178: The Eighteenth "Napster" Item | |
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krj
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response 8 of 72:
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Apr 12 04:11 UTC 2004 |
The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is not the World
Court. The WIPO proposes rules to "harmonize" copyright and patent
rules around the world, usually by toughening; their work results
in treaties which the member states are expected to implement through
the appropriate legislation.
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krj
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response 9 of 72:
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Apr 12 14:29 UTC 2004 |
Here's a link for a Cnet story about the copyright industry pushing
for sweeping regulations of how electronic devices can handle video:
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5186881.html?tag=nefd.lede
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mcnally
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response 10 of 72:
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Apr 12 16:46 UTC 2004 |
It seems likely to me that the content industry will be able to write
laws which prevent devices that don't critically inhibit consumer
ability to record and play back video from being made and legally
sold in the USA but in my opinion they'll only succeed in creating a
gray market for fully functional devices, such as already exists with
region-free DVD players and game-console mod chips. Ordinary consumers
might not go to the trouble to obtain such devices but then "ordinary
consumers" don't even know how to record a program using their
current VCRs.
Video enthusiasts won't settle for the solution the content providers
want to impose.
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albaugh
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response 11 of 72:
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Apr 12 17:02 UTC 2004 |
And if someone is really desperate, they can use an analog to the "print
screen" solution for PCs: They could train their camcorder on the TV screen
and record the movie *that* way. Crude, but...
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keesan
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response 12 of 72:
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Apr 12 19:40 UTC 2004 |
Couldn't they also just record to video cassette?
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krokus
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response 13 of 72:
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Apr 12 21:05 UTC 2004 |
Making a copy by going to analog isn't really the issue here, it's
digital media, and copies of them.
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krj
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response 14 of 72:
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Apr 12 21:42 UTC 2004 |
resp:10 on Mike's argument that probably the equipment to circumvent
recording restrictions will be widely available: I can only quote
Clay Shirky's recent article:
"To a first approximation, every PC owner under the age of 35 is
now a felon."
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twenex
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response 15 of 72:
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Apr 13 19:31 UTC 2004 |
Right, the WIPO is NOT the world court. The post previous to *my* last
confused me.
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tpryan
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response 16 of 72:
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Apr 23 21:54 UTC 2004 |
Has anyone tracked CD + DVD purchases? or total media buying
dollars. Propably not, as it has, I can guess, gone up dramaticly.
It's just the music part that is in decline.
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marcvh
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response 17 of 72:
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Apr 23 23:45 UTC 2004 |
DVD purchases of just the hottest titles have been more than all CDs.
That's not surprising, when you consider that you can buy an entire
movie on DVD for less money than the cost of the soundtrack on CD.
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tod
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response 18 of 72:
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Apr 23 23:59 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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gull
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response 19 of 72:
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Apr 24 00:28 UTC 2004 |
Or at least overpriced.
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albaugh
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response 20 of 72:
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Apr 26 20:45 UTC 2004 |
http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20040425.html
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krj
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response 21 of 72:
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Apr 29 21:05 UTC 2004 |
About three or four years ago, in discussing the lack of moral
authority behind the concept of intellectual property, I wrote:
"The Lord did not say, 'Thou shalt not copy thy neighbor's
scrolls.'"
(note to Certain Readers of Agora: it's a METAPHOR)
Skip ahead to 2004: From an article in a Christian news service:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/202004a.asp
"Poll finds music piracy rampant among believing teens"
"A new survey done by Christian pollster George Barna for the
Gospel Music Association finds a disturbing trend among Christian
teens. Not only are teen believers stealing Christian music through
Internet downloads and CD burnings, but they are doing it at the
same rate that non-Christians are pirating secular music."
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"The Barna survey found that only one in ten Christian teens surveyed
consider music piracy to be morally wrong, and 64 percent of them say
they have participated in some form of music piracy."
The NYTimes has a variant of the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/25/weekinreview/25lela.html
"Praise God and Pass the Music Files"
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twenex
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response 22 of 72:
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Apr 29 21:17 UTC 2004 |
Not only are teen believers stealing Christian music through
Internet downloads and CD burnings, but they are doing it at the
same rate that non-Christians are pirating secular music."
Er, yah.
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gelinas
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response 23 of 72:
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Apr 29 21:29 UTC 2004 |
Sidebar: what's up, twenex? Some folks like music, but not secular music.
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twenex
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response 24 of 72:
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Apr 29 22:13 UTC 2004 |
They do. What I'm saying is, the only people capable of being surprised that
Christians are downloading Christian music at roughly the same rates as
"seculars" are those who believe that Christians are better than seculars.
I'm willing to bet /that/ section of Christianity probably thinks that about
Muslims, Jews, Insert-You-Favourite-=Religion-Here aand probably any
other sect/branch of Christianity they don't happen to belong too, also.
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drew
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response 25 of 72:
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Apr 29 23:21 UTC 2004 |
> "The Lord did not say, 'Thou shalt not copy thy neighbor's scrolls'"
Of course He did. It was on the tablet that Mel Brooks dropped.
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gelinas
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response 26 of 72:
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Apr 30 00:53 UTC 2004 |
(Christians aren't "better" than 'seculars', but they do sometimes try to live
up to their ideals.)
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twenex
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response 27 of 72:
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Apr 30 00:55 UTC 2004 |
Hmm, and "seculars" don't?
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gelinas
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response 28 of 72:
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Apr 30 02:11 UTC 2004 |
Different ideals.
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twenex
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response 29 of 72:
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Apr 30 07:12 UTC 2004 |
Hmm.
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twenex
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response 30 of 72:
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Apr 30 07:23 UTC 2004 |
Well, I don't necessarily agree. Of course, I don't believe in God, but many
of the things that the Bible proposes, "Love thy neighbour", "Thou shalt not
kill," etc., still make sense to me. If believing in God constitutes an
"ideal", then you're right. Otherwise I think you may be stretching that a
bit too far.
It's also true, of course, that it's by no means certain that all atheists
and agnostics believe in downloading, whilst not everyone who believes in God
is whiter than white.
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gull
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response 31 of 72:
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Apr 30 13:52 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:28: "You shouldn't steal other people's stuff" isn't exactly an
exclusively Christian ideal, though.
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other
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response 32 of 72:
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Apr 30 20:13 UTC 2004 |
Copyright violation is not theft.
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