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Grex > Coop10 > #28: A one-person-one-listing web page policy | |
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rcurl
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response 8 of 41:
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Aug 12 01:41 UTC 1997 |
I manage five accounts here - four are for non-profit organizations
and have homepages, and one is my personal account (with no homepage).
This is what STeve is talking about in regard to "different projects and
stuff". (I *hope* to get some of those non-profits to join....but I'd
still be involved in the management of the accounts.)
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scg
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response 9 of 41:
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Aug 12 04:58 UTC 1997 |
We still have a human updating the page by hand, right? Such a policy may
be useful to save on workload.
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rcurl
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response 10 of 41:
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Aug 12 05:43 UTC 1997 |
I think I missed a point here. I thought *all* accounts with a web page were
listed. If they are publically accessible, wouldn't it be reasonable to
expect this? I mean, if they are named index.html. Users could have 'secret'
pages with other names.
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scg
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response 11 of 41:
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Aug 12 05:49 UTC 1997 |
To list all accounts with a web page, you would have to have a process that
woudl look through 15,000 home directories for files called index.html, and
then compile the list, doing whatever else it has to do to find whatever other
information it uses, at some regular interval. It would be a resource hog,
and there may be some people who don't want their pages listed.
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srw
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response 12 of 41:
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Aug 12 06:06 UTC 1997 |
The index of Grex Users' home pages is located at
http://www.cyberspace.org/users.html
It is maintained by hand. Rob Henderson first applied this rule when he
maintained it. I continued it now that I do..
I agreed with Rob Henderson and supported this policy from the
beginning. We encouraged anyone who was affected by this policy to raise
the issue in co-op. No one did (until now). It was instituted to make
caring for the web pages more manageable. It has been in effect for at
least two years. We do not scan the list to eliminate duplicates or
otherwise enforce it. I don't know how you can. We merely inform users
with more than one account that they must choose which account to have
listed in the index.
It seems like a reasonable restriction to me, but I don't feel very
strongly about it. It was not instituted to save bandwidth, by the way.
That was never the issue at all.
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robh
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response 13 of 41:
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Aug 12 11:24 UTC 1997 |
And for those who think the file is small enough that adding a few
lines won't matter, the last time I checked the error log,
users.html was one of the most commonly *aborted* files on our
server. (I.e. people start downloading it and then stop because
it's taking to bloody long to get through our Net connection.)
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mdw
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response 14 of 41:
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Aug 12 16:11 UTC 1997 |
It sounds to me like turning it into an alphabetical index would be
worth it. Automating it might be worth it too (perhaps by having
"mkhomepage" add it...)
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robh
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response 15 of 41:
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Aug 12 21:33 UTC 1997 |
Ooh ick. Do you have any idea how many people run mkhomepage
once and never edit their page? How many prototype pages do
you want listed? Frankly, I was embarassed by the number of
people who wanted their prototypes listed on the page, never mind
the ones who didn't...
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valerie
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response 16 of 41:
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Aug 12 22:55 UTC 1997 |
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rcurl
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response 17 of 41:
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Aug 13 00:14 UTC 1997 |
...and some persons are organizations...
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orinoco
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response 18 of 41:
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Aug 13 02:52 UTC 1997 |
Re#16: And how does she (do they) manage that?
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robh
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response 19 of 41:
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Aug 13 03:46 UTC 1997 |
<robh notes that he is NOT a webmaster any more, no matter what valerie
or popcorn think, so his opinion means approximately diddly over squat>
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janc
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response 20 of 41:
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Aug 13 13:12 UTC 1997 |
You opinion means as much as anyone's.
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steve
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response 21 of 41:
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Aug 13 15:21 UTC 1997 |
I think that if people ask, we should list several pages if they
want.
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krj
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response 22 of 41:
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Aug 13 21:30 UTC 1997 |
Sure, as long as it's a small finite integer.
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robh
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response 23 of 41:
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Aug 13 22:22 UTC 1997 |
(As opposed to a small infinite integer? >8)
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remmers
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response 24 of 41:
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Aug 14 12:28 UTC 1997 |
A question for the folks who have done webmaster work: Why do
people want multiple listings? When they ask for multiple
listings, what kinds of things do they ask for?
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senna
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response 25 of 41:
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Aug 14 17:03 UTC 1997 |
It's always possible to manage many accounts. The only evidence you have
that, say, chimaera is one of my accounts is my word, the Login 15 under the
name (I number all my logins) and the fact that its listed as one of my logins
in sarthe's plan (sarthe is also my login). I manage multiple logins fairly
effectively and nobody's requiring me to verify that I'm different people.
Certain people might have the motivation to tak advantage of this.
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robh
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response 26 of 41:
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Aug 14 21:57 UTC 1997 |
The impression I got from folks who wanted multiple listings was:
(a) They liked seeing their names on someone else's page, and
liked seeing several of their "names" even more
(pathetic, but true)
(b) They think that Grex is a huge system with millions of hits,
so being listed here guarantees that thousands of people will
see their pages (so far from true that it's pathetic)
(c) One listing was personal, others were for organizational accounts
(like rcurl)
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orinoco
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response 27 of 41:
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Aug 15 01:32 UTC 1997 |
As for A and B, I would hope that a little explaining will help these people
understand the error of their ways. I don't see any problem with C.
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robh
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response 28 of 41:
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Aug 15 03:09 UTC 1997 |
Explaining the realities of Grex's popularity put off a few of
the requests, but a fair number took the "it's free, so why not?"
approach. Explaining that providing Web service isn't free for *us*
didn't seem to work, either. (These are the same folks who thought
that Grex could afford to provide 1-800 service because it's free. >8)
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orinoco
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response 29 of 41:
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Aug 15 15:29 UTC 1997 |
Hmmm...I've never actually responded to one of those 'get yourself a free
homepage' ads...but perhaps a pointer in that direction?
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mdw
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response 30 of 41:
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Aug 15 16:19 UTC 1997 |
If you can collect "free home page" URL's for us, that would be very
handy. "Free e-mail" URL's would be convenient too.
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orinoco
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response 31 of 41:
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Aug 17 02:06 UTC 1997 |
Well, next time I run across one of them damn ads I'll send it your way
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valerie
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response 32 of 41:
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Aug 20 03:39 UTC 1997 |
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