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Grex > Coop > #269: Opening up the staff conference? | |
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tonster
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response 8 of 49:
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Feb 19 21:57 UTC 2010 |
resp:6: I'm a member of garage, but have never really participated, so
quite possibly garage is equivalent to sysop. If that's the case, then
I don't think any changes are necessary. I would also say I wouldn't be
surprised if there were many things in staff that would have been more
appropriate for the open garage.cf.
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cross
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response 9 of 49:
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Feb 20 17:04 UTC 2010 |
I think Grex needs more transparency.
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veek
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response 10 of 49:
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Feb 21 03:33 UTC 2010 |
yup! More than anything else!
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krj
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response 11 of 49:
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Feb 23 01:14 UTC 2010 |
I think Grex needs to stick to its contracts: things written by
staff with the presumption that they would remain private should
remain private. There's a good chance that some of the stuff in
there could be legally actionable if published -- speculation
about system vandals, for a big one. (Note that I do not have
access to the staff conference.)
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cross
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response 12 of 49:
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Feb 23 01:53 UTC 2010 |
It is stated publicly on Grex that NOTHING should have the expectation
of privacy here.
You are right. You don't have access to the staff conference. You
don't know what's in there. But why shouldn't people?
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veek
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response 13 of 49:
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Feb 23 03:23 UTC 2010 |
Re #11: how's that? the reason it's so difficult to prosecute someone is
because of the anonymity, but that works both ways. Also, Grex wouldn't be
liable, just the person being impolite. In any case, we could start from
scratch and henceforth.. make staff world readable??
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cross
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response 14 of 49:
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Feb 23 04:38 UTC 2010 |
I'm down with that.
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veek
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response 15 of 49:
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Feb 23 09:36 UTC 2010 |
This response has been erased.
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cross
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response 16 of 49:
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Feb 23 10:51 UTC 2010 |
Veek, "I'm down with that" means "I agree."
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veek
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response 17 of 49:
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Feb 23 12:01 UTC 2010 |
ah! cool :)
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unicorn
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response 18 of 49:
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Feb 25 02:17 UTC 2010 |
In one of my responses in the staff conference, I mentioned a couple of
things Chad could do to get past the script I wrote to prevent his
attacks on Grex, and why it wouldn't be practical to prevent those,
or asking for suggestions in one case. Another response includes
Chad's phone number (not posted by me). Are these things we really want
to make public?
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veek
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response 19 of 49:
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Feb 25 02:40 UTC 2010 |
we could start afresh - it steps around this issue while giving us what we
need. I see nothing wrong with making his number public (though it's rude i
guess.. and possibly a bit unfair) perhaps it could be purged? anyway, best
to step around such sticky issues.
No one seems to object to a new, refreshed staff conference being made
public.. so lets go with that?
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cross
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response 20 of 49:
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Feb 25 15:47 UTC 2010 |
I say we restart and make public.
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krj
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response 21 of 49:
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Feb 25 22:41 UTC 2010 |
I'm fine with public going forward; if everyone writing in staff
conf knows that it is public, then they will find other venues for
information which should be held more in confidence.
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nharmon
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response 22 of 49:
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Feb 26 03:32 UTC 2010 |
And thus will the new staff cf become dead with nobody posting to it?
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veek
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response 23 of 49:
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Feb 26 03:46 UTC 2010 |
not really.. why assume such things anyway. lets try it and see how it works
out! if it sucks then there's nothing stopping us from rolling back. we
SHOULD try out more stuff without having to constantly worry about failures!!
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tonster
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response 24 of 49:
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Feb 26 04:09 UTC 2010 |
what's one more dead cf? :)
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veek
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response 25 of 49:
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Feb 26 07:40 UTC 2010 |
yeah, though in this case, one could insist that 'staff' use the
facility provided to the best of the their ability. it's not entirely
an unreasonable request.
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nharmon
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response 26 of 49:
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Feb 26 13:46 UTC 2010 |
I guess my question is...what is the purpose of the staff cf?
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veek
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response 27 of 49:
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Feb 26 14:07 UTC 2010 |
1. to list activities done. accountability Sir! Board posts a task-
list. End of the year, ppl can decide which staffer was most effective!
2. better co-ordination! no more spooked did this or munged that. each
staffer has a task list - public can decide (somewhat) who is
interfering where. people know who is working on what and what changes
are being done. website updates can be correlated to actual updates on
the web-site. people can check access times on the file system (for non
root activities and check against sudo logs)
3. no more, remmers never replied to mail! if something is posted in
staff, said staffers MUST read the conf! It's the official method of
communication so we all know who the shady scumbag is :p
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seriously *scowl* this is all very obvious *rolls his eyes*
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nharmon
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response 28 of 49:
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Feb 26 15:14 UTC 2010 |
So, it would be like the garage cf?
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tsty
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response 29 of 49:
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Feb 26 22:54 UTC 2010 |
coop is oepn to all. this is where evnryone can comment, including board/staff
some thoghts/comments .. even in 'your' life (whomever 'you' might be) ... are
reserved, not-for-pulbic-consumption.
thus, staff.cf .. as is.
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veek
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response 30 of 49:
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Feb 27 01:30 UTC 2010 |
resp 28: *sigh* not really. This is staff-staff stuff that we get to
read. It saves time in the sense that.. staffer X makes one post to
notify staffer Y about something he's working on BUT the general public
is in on it. Under the current system, X would have to specifically
replicate his posts on coop/garage.
If everyone wants to make Garage/Coop the new official channel for
communication between staff members, I'm okay with that. staff.cf I
assume will not be used and can be removed?
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tonster
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response 31 of 49:
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Feb 27 01:54 UTC 2010 |
why not just link the item and be done with it? I still think there is
a place for private conversations amongst staff, but I think what needs
to change is the secrecy regarding EVERYTHING that they do. Everything
that happens on the system does not need to be discussed only in staff,
most stuff should be public.
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veek
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response 32 of 49:
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Feb 27 07:07 UTC 2010 |
Resp 31: you can do that via the web-interface? in principle, i'm okay
with linking so long as it gets done - my thinking is, it won't be done
because it takes extra effort. to be quite honest.. i don't really care
if 'staff' is super sekret and yeah it would be nice if staff could
type root password is 'qweerty' in #staff. sekret staff does have it's
points.
my main crib is transparency and work not getting done (mysql, email,
traceroute/ping, new cool thingies). If the board makes a rule that
henceforth #staff will remain sekret and only contain info that needs
to be MOST sekret, and if they can implement that rule correctly, I'm
okay with that!
Now if there were 20K users *sigh* i'd not be wasting my time with the
finer points of the law <g> and if someone mentioned "#staff is
sekret!" I'd probably go: "What!" Unfortunately, because we had to pull
mail and because i cannot boast about how cool Grex is urmm.. therefore
I'm trying to umm.. oil the wheels (so to speak) :p
Which in all honesty, is what I think everyone here is trying to do! If
we were too busy in #General, would we be even bothering about the
goings on in #staff and #coop??? Mind you, I don't hold staff entirely
responsible for the current state of affairs!! As someone pointed out
elsewhere.. things are happening too slowly on Grex.. umm it's like a
drip or a leak somewhere and you're hunting around with a torch.. I'm
eliminating sources of problems.. and a sekret staff looks to be one
source.
Right now, if I say: "I want xyz. I'm willing to do." And the idea is
somewhat doable - based on data gathered from #coop #staff AND THEN it
doesn't get done.. it's so much easier to form an opinion without
having to factor in a mysterious '#staff' and it's goings on.. So
really, the trigger here is the slow, non-existent pace of works.
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once things like mail/mysql/quick access/traceroute are done, AND then
if we still have few users (fewer than SDF).. one can identify where
the src of the problem is (more advertisement, lousy convo on the BBS,
more games) You could even ask for feedback and get some kind of a
sensible reply.. right now, most ppl will just mutter "no mail" or some
such vague thing.
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