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md
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response 8 of 38:
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Jun 18 23:04 UTC 1999 |
I know the Lizst Hungarian Rhapsody started as a
piano piece, but I don't know about the Brahms.
Re the Beethoven violin sonatas, it never fails
to surprise me what a great tunesmith Beethoven
was. You tend to think of him in terms of vast
structures and noble ideas, but he wrote more
whistleable tunes than any other composer.
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orinoco
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response 9 of 38:
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Jun 19 21:31 UTC 1999 |
Maybe I'm just not listening to the right Beethoven. I'm a big fan of his
- mostly the string quartets - but I wouldn't call him "most whistleable"...
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dbratman
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response 10 of 38:
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Jun 24 23:08 UTC 1999 |
Brahms's Hungarian Dances were written by him for piano 4-hands. He
arranged a few of them for orchestra, but I think most of the familiar
orchestrations are by somebody else. I think that his Haydn Variations
also began as a piano piece. (Most of the orchestral music by Grieg
and Satie is arrangements of piano pieces - in Grieg's case, he did his
own arrangements; for Satie, usually Debussy did.)
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krj
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response 11 of 38:
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Aug 9 20:40 UTC 1999 |
MSU's classical radio station left me with a pretty little problem today.
It was a lovely piano sonata they played on my drive to work.
Their website at wkar.org has the playlists nicely arranged, so it
was no problem to find out that what I had heard was
Muzio Clementi's "Sonata in f-sharp minor for Piano, Op.25, No.5"
and that the pianist was Maria Tipo, and this was an Angel/EMI
recording.
Alas, it doesn't seem to be in print, and very little by Maria Tipo
seems to be in print -- just one VoxBox.
Any comments on either Maria Tipo or Muzio Clementi would be welcomed...
A few minutes later the station played another winner: violinist
Gil Shaham playing a "Carmen Fantasy" on themes from the opera.
This turns out to be from a Berlin Philharmonic disc with Claudio
Abbado conducting, and it's a gala with a program of all Carmen material.
This one will be no trouble to buy, if I want it.
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oddie
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response 12 of 38:
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Aug 10 05:38 UTC 1999 |
According to _The Lives of the Great Composers_, "Muzio Clementi...set modern
piano technique on its way. He specialized in virtuoso work, especially thirds
and octaves" (It's more complimentary about his piano playing than his
composition; somewhere else it says he anticipated the technique of Chopin,
if i recall correctly)
He was a contemporary of Mozart and once got into a fight with him over
who was the greater keyboard player. (From the same book)
Clementi wrote a bunch of nice Sonatinas, which are often used today in
teaching piano students - I played one of them a few years ago.
Sorry, that's about all I know...
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lumen
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response 13 of 38:
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Aug 10 18:49 UTC 1999 |
Indeed, teaching Clementi is considered standard piano pedagogy.
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coyote
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response 14 of 38:
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Aug 11 04:20 UTC 1999 |
Re #11:
This probably won't help you much, but I ran into a similar problem with
hearing something on the radio, looking for it, and finding that it was
out of print. SKR looked it up for me and said that there was only one
recording made and that it was out of print. In some strange stroke of
luck, I had gone to King's Keyboard later that week to purchase some sheet
music, and was glancing through their CD collection, when I happened upon the
out-of-print recording I was looking for. Seeing as the piece you are looking
for is a keyboard piece, it wouldn't hurt to check at King's.
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dbratman
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response 15 of 38:
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Aug 12 22:02 UTC 1999 |
Clementi was a contemporary of Beethoven's. He lived mostly in England,
and wrote a lot of very light and very pleasant piano music. His works
are so short that catalogs may not tell you whether a particular one
you're looking for is on a particular CD, so it may take some hunting
down. (Same is true for Domenico Scarlatti's harpsichord sonatas, only
some of which are quite delightful.)
Re the Carmen Fantasy: if you like orchestral arrangements of the music
from Carmen, then run, do not walk, and buy a copy of the "Carmen
Ballet" by Rodoin Shchedrin, which is an arrangement of themes from the
opera using the most damnably _imaginative_ orchestrations you ever did
hear.
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remmers
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response 16 of 38:
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Aug 12 22:57 UTC 1999 |
(Hey, *all* of Scarlatti's harpsichord sonatas are delightful...)
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davel
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response 17 of 38:
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Aug 13 12:02 UTC 1999 |
Not necessarily _en_masse_ ...
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remmers
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response 18 of 38:
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Aug 13 12:09 UTC 1999 |
True, there are about 500 of them.
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krj
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response 19 of 38:
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Aug 16 21:07 UTC 1999 |
Thanks for the suggestions on where to find this CD of Maria Tipo playing
a Clementi sonata. E-mail correspondance with the radio station revealed
that this is a French disc, and I found a listing which is *probably*
the right album on a French CD shoppe in Switzerland, www.planetelaser.com
or www.planete-laser.com. It's on order, we should know in a week or two
if I got the right disc.
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krj
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response 20 of 38:
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Aug 20 01:36 UTC 1999 |
Argh. The Swiss/French CD dealer reports that it is out of print.
As no other web searches turned up *anything*, my guess is that my chances
of getting this disc are pretty small. I'll probably get someone else's
recording of the Clementi sonata. There is a Hyperion recording
over at Where House Records; I forget the name of the pianist, no one
I'd heard of before.
(I mean, you never can tell what will turn up. I found a Duke Ellington
LP at Encore Music after looking for it for 17 years.... but I digress...)
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dbratman
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response 21 of 38:
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Aug 30 23:01 UTC 1999 |
Did you try Berkshire Record Outlet? (www.berkshirerecoutlet.com)
Great source for deleted classical CDs.
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krj
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response 22 of 38:
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Aug 31 15:45 UTC 1999 |
Thanks for the recommendation, David; I had not heard of them.
Berkshire does not list Maria Tipo's Clementi sonatas disc, but they
do list a collection of Bach partitas which I might try.
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krj
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response 23 of 38:
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Jan 19 22:03 UTC 2000 |
Back to Anne-Sophie Mutter and the Beethoven Violin Sonatas.
(resp:7) The set of four CDs has a premium price on it, *gulp*.
I'm tempted to substitute the 1974 recording of the "Kreutzer" and
"Spring" sonatas, by Vladimir Ashkenazy and Itzhak Pearlman, which has
just been remastered and reissed at a budget price, $11.
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dbratman
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response 24 of 38:
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Jan 19 22:32 UTC 2000 |
Maybe I should pick that up. I own virtually no violin sonatas.
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orinoco
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response 25 of 38:
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Jan 19 22:41 UTC 2000 |
Why is it that classical CD prices seem to vary so much more widely than other
CD prices?
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dbratman
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response 26 of 38:
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Jan 19 23:18 UTC 2000 |
Because classical CDs sell more elderly backstock. Look at the CD
prices for pop music from the 40s and 50s, and you'll see a lot of
really cheap reissues.
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krj
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response 27 of 38:
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Jan 19 23:24 UTC 2000 |
That's part of it, but there's no pop equivalent to the Naxos line,
for example, which is usually priced at $5-$6 for modern digital
recordings, usually recorded by artists you never heard of before, or
at least ones outside the star system.
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orinoco
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response 28 of 38:
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Jan 20 00:20 UTC 2000 |
Now that I think about it, that may be partly because a recording of the
Moonlight Sonata by someone you've never heard of is still _The Moonlight
Sonata,_ making it a safer bet than an album of original songs by a rock band
you've never heard of.
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davel
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response 29 of 38:
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Jan 22 15:22 UTC 2000 |
OTOH, you've already *got* five recordings of the Moonlight Sonata, no? So
if you don't already know of some reason that it's worth buying, you may just
decide not to pay $15.
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orinoco
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response 30 of 38:
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Jan 22 16:22 UTC 2000 |
Well, right.....but even the people who don't have five recordings probably
know what it sounds like, and whether they'll like it. Or even just know that
it's a classic piece with a pretty name that they "should" own.
Wait, we're arguing the same point, aren't we?
Well, just stick an "also" in up there somewhere.
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krj
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response 31 of 38:
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Jul 17 06:03 UTC 2000 |
NP: a Maria Tipo CD which I got in the mail this week. This is an
Italian CD, ordered from www.alapage.com in France during their big
June sale. The program is Mozart sonatas, a Beethoven sonata, and
some stuff by Chopin. Solo piano, of course, in front of an audience.
I rather like her expressiveness and will look to see what else I can find
by her. Information on the web is sketchy; she is from Naples, and one
brief mention described her as being in the Italian tradition of Toscanini,
which I think means that she takes great liberties with tempos and meter.
She won her first major prize in 1952 but won several more in the late
1990s, so she must be closing in on 70 years old. The CD I have is an
analog recording from 1979.
(I started my quest for Maria Tipo almost a year ago, see resp:11 above.)
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krj
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response 32 of 38:
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Jul 18 06:36 UTC 2000 |
I just peeked in at amazon.co.uk -- been doing a lot of online CD
browsing today -- and I see that they now carry a two-CD set of
Maria Tipo playing Clementi sonatas. This is on the Warner Fonit
Centra label -- I'm not even sure what country this disc would be
from, Italy maybe? It's a two CD set so it's not clear that it would
be the same performance as the EMI cd I was originally searching for.
This is a 2000 release.
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