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tod
response 8 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 00:40 UTC 2003

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jmsaul
response 9 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 03:06 UTC 2003

There are chains of Chinese fast food restaurants (Manchu Wok), but they're
not good.  I thought it was pretty funny when the one in Briarwood left the
franchise.  What did they rename it?  Ming Wok.  Probably only funny if you've
watched enough Hong Kong historical martial arts movies and get the
background.
bhoward
response 10 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 03:42 UTC 2003

Is that anything like a Ming vase?
gelinas
response 11 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 04:49 UTC 2003

I'd always thought the Ming Dynasty was the Mongols.  I just learned I've been
wrong: the Mongols formed the Yuan Dynasty, which was replaced by the Ming
Dynasty.
gull
response 12 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 14:39 UTC 2003

Re resp:7: And in spite of all your experience with fast food chains,
you would expect chain Chinese restaurants to be *less* scary? ;>
dcat
response 13 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 16:43 UTC 2003

I forget what it's called (maybe Manchu Wok), but there's a Chinese fast food
"restaurant" in the Ohio Turnpike rest area in Amherst (a few miles west of
the 80/90 split), a couple bays over from Popeye's. . . .
sj2
response 14 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 17:01 UTC 2003

Do British men still carry an umbrella while walking?
flem
response 15 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 17:30 UTC 2003

I think Panda House is a chain.  I've seen a few of them in Michigan and
one in Florida.  
mynxcat
response 16 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 17:43 UTC 2003

Re 14> And do they still wear the bowler hat?
albaugh
response 17 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 18:00 UTC 2003

There used to be a "Chinese fast food" restaurant in downtown Plymouth called
Dynersty.  I had heard that the first one had been in Ann Arbor.  I always
found it a convenient and inexpensive option when going for "take away" (as
the Brits say).  However, for some reason which I never heard, they closed
down a year ago or so.
remmers
response 18 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 18:34 UTC 2003

Atlanta or Atlantis -- the choice is yours!
tod
response 19 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 01:14 UTC 2003

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jmsaul
response 20 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 01:29 UTC 2003

Re #11:  Which was in turn overthrown by the Manchus, whose dynasty was called
         the Ching.  

Re #10:  Less valuable, I think.
sno
response 21 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 03:37 UTC 2003

It sucks to be "not young" and wanting to be in IT.  The only recourse is 
to be very lucky to find someone accepting the age condition, or start your 
own business.  I've been in "my own business."  It's not that great either.

jmsaul
response 22 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 7 15:58 UTC 2003

What are you looking for in IT?
bhoward
response 23 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 00:36 UTC 2003

Stephen, you have found age to be an explicit factor preventing or limiting
your attempts to move into IT work?
jmsaul
response 24 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 01:52 UTC 2003

If they make it explicit, he can sue their butts off, so it probably isn't.
bhoward
response 25 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 02:09 UTC 2003

My use of "explicitly" was sloppy.  

What I'm trying to get at is that even if a potential employer doesn't
specifically make age an issue which as you point out would open them
to lawsuits, sno might still feel somehow that age was a factor.

If he does or strongly suspects it was, I'm curious what gave that
impression?

In the current market, I would expect cost (in terms of expected salary)
and skill set would be the main factors.  There are lot of IT workers
looking for work or switching career tracks right now.
gull
response 26 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 16:54 UTC 2003

From everything I've heard on the subject, age discrimination is rampant
in IT hiring.  Then the companies complain they're having trouble
finding enough qualified workers and get the government to issue more
H1B visas.
other
response 27 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 18:53 UTC 2003

That's only because with age comes the experience to know how to 
demand a fair wage.
gull
response 28 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 8 21:07 UTC 2003

Heh.
sno
response 29 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 16:06 UTC 2003

Database development work is my primary desire.  Programming is second
on this list.  Web Development third.  Fourth would be network 
administration.

I can't even get an interview.  They see less than 3 years "on the job",
observe I have had a 25 year career doing something else, and figure
I'm a wannabe.

I guess 20 years on Unix/Windows development is not enough if you were
not doing it for pay or can carry a paper around saying you passed school.  
I continue to hope to find an opening where someone already on the inside 
can speak up for me.

Enough whining.  I'll figure something out.

gull
response 30 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 18:49 UTC 2003

Your problem is going to be getting past the secretaries that throw out
resumes that don't match a strict reading of the qualifications.  I was
once told I couldn't be considered for a position because I was a few
months short of their three-year experience requirement, even though I
had related non-paid experience and other qualifications.
jmsaul
response 31 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 01:07 UTC 2003

In this market, they're able to keep standards like that since they're going
to get a lot of overqualified applicants for anything they post.  It isn't
unusual to get experienced programmers or sysadmins applying for positions
doing desktop support right now.  That'll change, but not right away.
gull
response 32 of 34: Mark Unseen   Dec 12 15:21 UTC 2003

If you want to work in IT, your best career move right now might be to
move to India. :P
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