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Grex > Oldmusic > #131: More on the ethics of P2P file sharing (yeah, another "Napster" item) | |
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mcnally
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response 8 of 23:
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Dec 13 09:18 UTC 2002 |
re #6: ugh. "Greatest Hits" collections are usually nasty. Most of the
time I'd much rather have a regular album, even with bands whose work I
don't know.
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jaklumen
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response 9 of 23:
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Dec 13 09:53 UTC 2002 |
resp:7 Believe it or not, I think there has been discussion on this.
I think part of it might indeed lie with the fact that you're listening
to vastly different music than the average teenager/young adult is
(actually, I think that breaks down to teenager and women 18-35). The
notion has been put forward that the music business is gasping for new
talent in this market. Current pop artists apparently aren't producing
entire recordings that hold their audience's attention.
Even in the hit factory decade of the 80's, there was one album churned
out where every song hit #1: Huey Lewis and the News's "Sports." We
have nothing like that today.
Maybe rampant consumerism has burnt out the music business-- they
aren't paying enough attention to production quality.
My fall to piracy is for very different reasons. I'm poor, and much of
the music I listen to is reasonably old. I generally look for hits
that are a little more difficult to find right away, and I don't always
have patience in trying to find compilations. When I do have money, I
do admit that it's worth buying the remaining material in some artist's
album, but right now, I'm too lazy and too broke to do it. On that
note, current CD prices don't help. Oh, and by the way, I rarely
pirate for nostalgia much: many of these old hits are barely on the
periphery of my memory.
I very much suspect the music piracy problem is firmly in the
mainstream; therefore, I'm willing to bet that those who buy outside of
it don't quite understand what the fuss is about, or more specifically,
don't pirate.
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mcnally
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response 10 of 23:
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Dec 13 10:33 UTC 2002 |
I've never used P2P software but the feature which might one day lead me
to start is the potential for access to material that's out of print and
nearly impossible to obtain legally. There are several genres I collect
where work from even the foremost artists in the field is out of print
and essentially unavailable. The work that *is* available is largely
released on anthologies which have substantial overlap between collections
so between a dozen collections I might wind up with five or six copies of
one track and yet be unable to find copies of many others. Joining a P2P
network with others who share my tastes would be a huge help in tracking
down material I haven't otherwise been able to find.
I'd love to be able to buy this stuff from the record companies which own
the rights but in most cases either the rights-holder is out of the record
business or the rights belong to some tiny portion of a huge conglomerate
with more profitable things to do than cater to my personal tastes.
I can tell that I'm going to be SOL if I have to count on waiting for the
market to provide what I want.
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anderyn
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response 11 of 23:
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Dec 13 12:56 UTC 2002 |
It's very true that my particular tastes in music are definitely
non-mainstream and that I'm not in the target range for the music business.
I do buy some mainstream (older) acts at times (Rick Springfield, Blue Oyster
Cult, Moody Blues... all of whom had new albums out in the last two years)
but mostly what I buy is firmly in the folk or world camp. I will branch out
into other things if I hear them and I like them, but I'd say that I
definitely don't fit any profiles --- I love to fill in those cards that come
in CDs where they ask you your name, your address, and why you bought the
record, and then what the last three CDs you bought were and what the
magazines/radio stations you listen to are -- it probably drives them crazy.
"Let's see here, a 46 year old woman who reads, um, 'Time, Cosmopolitan, and
Analog'. The last three CDs she bought, not counting this one, were 'Shrek
soundtrack, Fairport Convention, and Ilgi' WTF?!" I love screwing with their
demographics, and the best part is that I never have to lie.
It's also true that most of the music I'm desperately wanting to get copies
of AND would be willing to pir-ate, if I had to, is all out of print. I have
some tapes of filk music that I'd LOVE to get digital copies of, but it's not
going to happen. I know that there are albums of, say, Archie Fisher out there
that were released in the 1960s in England that aren't coming out on CD and
I don't even know who might have a copy (well, obviously, people in England,
but I don't know any! Grin) of the original, so I'd be more than happy to do
some pirating of that.
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dbratman
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response 12 of 23:
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Dec 13 20:37 UTC 2002 |
On the subject of albums with only one or two good tracks: I've read in
histories of pop that that's one of the things the Beatles changed.
Prior to that time, most bands would put only one or two good songs on
each of their numerous albums, and anyone wanting a listenable album
was obliged to wait for the Greatest Hits. After the Beatles came
along, life on pop and rock albums was very different for a good long
time, but maybe it's changing back.
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jaklumen
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response 13 of 23:
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Dec 14 05:06 UTC 2002 |
Well, it sounds like music that's out of print or difficult to access
certainly is a factor.
I doubt I would have gotten a copy of Jazzy Redd's "I Am A Dope Fiend"
unless I had pirated it.
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tpryan
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response 14 of 23:
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Dec 24 18:26 UTC 2002 |
Let's see... extended soundtrack to Fellowship of The Ring CD
at $24.99, not discounted or 4 DVD set of Fellowship of The Ring for
$24.99, on sale?
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jor
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response 15 of 23:
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Dec 24 21:33 UTC 2002 |
Yes, it was common for vinyl LP's in the early 60's,
to be blatantly fleshed out with crap filler,
covers/copies of very commonly recorded
stuff (Route 66, Hounddog, I dunno, stuff
everybody knew). It was *blatant*.
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jaklumen
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response 16 of 23:
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Dec 24 22:56 UTC 2002 |
resp:14 Ouch.
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tpryan
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response 17 of 23:
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Dec 26 17:34 UTC 2002 |
Even Motown LPs of the 60;s where very much 'the two hit
songs, the two b-sides and 8 remakes of other Motown artists hits'.
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mcnally
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response 18 of 23:
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Dec 26 18:00 UTC 2002 |
re #17: 60s soul really wasn't an album-oriented genre so that's
really not surprising.
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orinoco
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response 19 of 23:
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Dec 28 20:44 UTC 2002 |
Were any genres really that album-oriented in the early 60s?
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mcnally
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response 20 of 23:
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Dec 28 21:39 UTC 2002 |
I'm not aware of any, though that's hardly conclusive..
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cyklone
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response 21 of 23:
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Dec 28 23:30 UTC 2002 |
Miles Davis, John Coltrane and some other jazz guys are the only ones I
can think of. And I'm not absolutely sure on the dates.
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krj
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response 22 of 23:
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Dec 29 06:02 UTC 2002 |
Oh sure, lots of MOR stuff, like the Phase 4 Stereo albums my dad had
when I was growing up -- like an album full of suites of movie soundtrack
tunes, or an album of German beer drinking songs. Mitch Miller was
likely album oriented, too, though I can't say for sure. And then there
was the classical field, and jazz as was earlier mentioned.
When were Frank Sinatra's comeback albums, after his teeny-bop years?
1950s, I think.
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dbratman
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response 23 of 23:
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Dec 29 06:43 UTC 2002 |
My parents had in those days two types of albums that weren't filler:
classical and show tunes.
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