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keesan
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response 79 of 122:
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Jan 5 02:28 UTC 1999 |
I don't recall, but I doubt that the library had more than one.
I found YES at the library, not bad but too much beat for my taste, but I will
give it more of a listen. I like my rhythm a bit more varied. But this is
certainly above the run of the mill rock music. Track 2 is Cans and Brahms,
with electric piano and synthesizer. I prefer the original arrangment but
this is interesting and certainly classical-based. The album is Fragile Yes.
Jim also liked the Brahms and wondered 'how did they both get on the same CD'?
(I guess he does not like the third track).
Maybe I had better stick to classical and folk (original and
imitation). The rock is just too repetitive. (Not that a lot of folk is not
awfully repetitive). Boom (next track). Sounds like a howling wind, and too
much percussion for my taste. Does all rock music have a lot f beat?
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steve
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response 80 of 122:
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Jan 5 02:45 UTC 1999 |
I don't know quite how to classify this one, but Anthony Phillips,
once of Genesis, has a series of wonderful things called "Private
Parts and Pieces", perhaps seven albumns now, of various little things
he'd written over the years but didn't use. I have several on vinyl
and just one on CD, but apparently they are available on CD now.
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krj
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response 81 of 122:
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Jan 10 01:16 UTC 1999 |
I was at the library today and I took a quick look over the folk CDs.
The ones I would suggest for Sindi, if she hasn't tried them already,
were:
the Irish band Altan, any CD
the Irish band Clannad, IN CONCERT (the other Clannad discs the
library owns are from their New Age period)
the finnish accordeon player Maria Kalaniemi, IHO is the title to try 1st
the Swedish band Vasen, SPIRIT (all instrumental, I think)
the Scottish harp duo Sileas, BEATING HARPS
I didn't have time to scan the jazz section, I'll try that next time.
resp:79 :: I suppose there are exceptions here and there, but in
general rock music is characterized by its Big Beat.
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cloud
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response 82 of 122:
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Jan 10 04:20 UTC 1999 |
Yeah, I think the beat is what really puts it appart from other types of
music. It does not nessessarilly mean that the beat has to be simple. I was
reading up on Gentle Giant yesterday, and I came accross this interesting
snippet...
"In the middle section of Cogs in Cogs, the two vocal parts are in very
different meters. The first part to enter ("The circle
turns around, the changing voices calling...") is in 6/4, but the second
one ("Circle turns around the changing voices") is in
15/8. This means that the two melodies "line up" differently in 6
different ways. The phrases "meet" every 60 eighth notes."
I've listened to the song, and really is a neat effect. Maybe we should make
a new item called "Rock Music for Classical Lovers" it seems to be the way
this one's drifting... Oh well, I guess that the two are simaler.
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cyklone
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response 83 of 122:
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Jan 10 13:47 UTC 1999 |
Check out Genesis' "Suppers Ready" where the rhythmic figure is in 9/4 and
the keyboard solos in 4/4.
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cloud
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response 84 of 122:
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Jan 10 17:17 UTC 1999 |
which album is that on? I've already got "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway," and
"Selling England by the Pound"
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cyklone
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response 85 of 122:
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Jan 11 13:37 UTC 1999 |
Its on Nursery Crime or Foxtrot (it may also be on one of their live albums).
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keesan
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response 86 of 122:
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Jan 11 16:49 UTC 1999 |
Beats like 9/4 or 7/4 are common in Balkan music and farther east. I think
that a lot of recent composers are borrowing from other folk and classical
traditions now. Will check out the Irish, Finnish, etc. folk-based stuff,
thanks Ken. (If it ever gets a bit warmer).
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keesan
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response 87 of 122:
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Jan 11 21:20 UTC 1999 |
We may get to the library this evening so I made a list: Ken's Irish band
Altan, Irish band Clennad, Finnish accordion Maria Kalaneni 'IHO', Swedish
band Vasen 'Spirit', Scottish harp by Sileas 'Beating Harps'. Maybe some
interesting rhythm stuff by Genesis, Jean Luc Ponty's jazz, Passport, and
Jethro Tull. If nothing else, I will be more educated after listening.
(Did I miss any recent suggestions? Went back 30 responses).
Seems like the more unusual folk music was preserved on the fringes of Europe
- Celtic areas and Scandinavia - or else there is just more interest in folk
revival there. I have a couple of folk-style tapes from Hungary, but from
the rest of E. Europe the folk music is mostly real folk, not folk-style.
People still listen to it on the radio in Bulgaria or Serbia, and the pop
music is often folk-influenced (the stuff you hear in bars).
An Italian friend made me a tape of Sicilian bagpipe music, bagpipes are also
on the fringes - Scotland, Sicily, Macedonia and Greece and Bulgaria. Are
they used farther east of Bulgaria? Or in any recently composed music?
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e4808mc
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response 88 of 122:
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Jan 12 03:03 UTC 1999 |
Scott would you unlink this from houseplants? Dunno how it got here.
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davel
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response 89 of 122:
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Jan 12 03:22 UTC 1999 |
Music to grow the plants by?
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mcnally
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response 90 of 122:
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Jan 12 06:29 UTC 1999 |
The folkies seem to be dominating the suggestions so far.
I'd re-iterate the earlier suggestion to try Dead Can Dance
and would add another album on the same record label (4AD),
Cocteau Twins. "Victorialand" might be a good album to start
with..
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scott
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response 91 of 122:
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Jan 12 12:07 UTC 1999 |
OK, it is now unlinked.
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keesan
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response 92 of 122:
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Jan 12 20:46 UTC 1999 |
I found IHO (Maria Kalaniemi Finnish), the Best of Altan (Irish), Clannad in
Concert at the public library. I somehow ended up there without my list and
will try other suggestions another time. Also found in with the original and
newly composed folk music some non-Western classical music from North India
Inkuyo Music of the Andes, and Armenia: Sources (folk?). For some reason
Asian classical music is classified as folk.
My apologies on the houseplant involvement, but I had accidentally
entered this item there, as you will realize if you start reading at the first
response. Some helpful people got it moved to Music and Classical but could
not figure out how to unlink it from Garden. Scott, how did you manage?
I will try Dead Can Dance and the jazz suggestions next trip.
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davel
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response 93 of 122:
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Jan 13 01:35 UTC 1999 |
Unlinking has to be done either by fairwitness (in the cf where it's
incorrectly linked) or by cfadm.
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davel
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response 94 of 122:
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Jan 13 01:38 UTC 1999 |
Possibly the reason nonwestern classical music is included with folk is the
lack of written notation. (This might not always apply, but does to some
things called "nonwestern classical", I think.) I can think of a few other
speculations as well.
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keesan
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response 95 of 122:
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Jan 13 05:36 UTC 1999 |
What other types of music notation are used around the world besides European?
I am curious about Chinese and Japanese notation. Indian, Iranian,
Egyptian... Some of these musics have quarter tones.
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scott
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response 96 of 122:
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Jan 13 22:10 UTC 1999 |
(I unlinked it by going into the plants conf. and killing it.)
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keesan
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response 97 of 122:
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Jan 15 19:43 UTC 1999 |
The library has two CDs by Jethro Tull on order, and one three-CD set in a
large cardboard box that would not have fit into my backpack. After the
library figured out that Dead Can Dance is an author, not a title, I found
three CDs and got out one, which I have not yet listened to.
Clannad was pleasant but only 30 minutes of concert, and no explanatory notes.
One piece sounded like jazz to me, the others probably folk based. I have
not yet read the notes for Altan, which was nice contra-dance type music.
I like Maria Kalaniemi (sp?) on the accordion best. Again, no notes. The
rhythms of several pieces were unusual: 2 2 3 or 3 2 2 beats. One sound just
like Bulgarian dance music, not Finnish. Where did she get her ideas? I will
listen to them all again and maybe record Maria.
I also got out some Iranian classical music from the folk section.
I notice that nobody has recommended anything from the library's categories
of gospel, blues, or country. Are these all vocal?
Jim likes old musicals (old being 1940s and 50s). Has anything been composed
since then on the level of Lerner and Loewe or Rodgers and Hammerstein?
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anderyn
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response 98 of 122:
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Jan 15 22:44 UTC 1999 |
Clannad in Concert is not their best, Keesan. One of hte pieces on there
is a jazz improv on a trad tune, and while it's interesting, it's not
what their "normal" pre-wallpaper music sounded like. Which Altan did
you get? I like them quite a bit.
I don't listen to the other categories of music, much. I don't like
gospel or blues or country, though some country is not too bad, sometimes.
I've heard a really good album or seven by Mary Chapin Carpenter, and
I think it's Lyle Lovett who's had one played at the ARk while I was working
on cleanup that I thought was darn good, but I grew up with the twangy
country sound, and hate that with a passion.
I really like Camelot, and many people tell me they adore the "new
musicals" such as Cats, but the only soundtracks that I have from musicals
are the ones to Godspell and JCSuperstar and *rummage rummage* movies
like "The Prince of Egypt".
Of course, I am biased heavily in favour of voice, and I don't own that
many non-vocal albums. I have some drumming ones, and a really nice
instrumental thing from a PBS special, but that's about it.
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isis
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response 99 of 122:
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Jan 16 01:40 UTC 1999 |
Just found out that Dead Can Dance broke up. maybe this is old news to some
people...but it makes me want to cry... *sniff*
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keesan
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response 100 of 122:
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Jan 16 03:10 UTC 1999 |
Clannad in Concert was the one that was recommended. The Best of Altan.
I am enjoying some Music of the Andes, to which Jim is tapping his foot. The
Armenian folk music was interesting. Are there any groups that do recently
composed Peruvian or Indian music, that the library might have?
Clannad was something I can listen to while working because I don't know a
word of Irish. (Yet). If anyone wants, I can tape for them a selection of
folk music from the Balkans (Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania) and E.
Europe (Serbian/Croatian, Czech/Slovak, Hungarian).
I have not yet listened to Dead Can Dance, it will have to be when Jim is not
listening, judging from his reaction to Yes. While cooking?
Andes Music also has a beat but it is somewhat variable and is not louder than
the tune. Are there other folk dance musics that I might like besides Balkan,
Scandinavian, and British Isles? I like unusual beats, such as 7/8, 11/8.
What should I be listening to/for in Dead Can Dance? (How long were they
together?).
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krj
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response 101 of 122:
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Jan 16 04:57 UTC 1999 |
CLANNAD IN CONCERT is so one of their best albums, is too is too is too.
:) More to the point, it is the only pre-new-age Clannad album I found
in the library's holdings. It's a short recording because it dates
from about 1978, the LP era.
There are hardly ever good notes on CDs any more. I may have an article
on Maria Kalaniemi in one of my folk music magazines which I could
clone for keesan. The library also had Kalaniemi's first American
cd -- IHO, which you got, was her second.
(Now I'll have to pull out my copy of IHO to look for the Bulgarian-
sounding piece.) As to where she got her ideas: I'm pretty sure that
Kalaniemi, like Varttina, the Hedningarna singers, and many of the
current crop of Finnish performers, studied at the folk music school
of the Sibelius Academy.
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anderyn
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response 102 of 122:
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Jan 17 04:05 UTC 1999 |
Oh, okay, you like it. I'll give you that one. Ken. But I never did like
it much. But you know how much I don't like a lot of live recordings.
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orinoco
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response 103 of 122:
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Jan 17 04:09 UTC 1999 |
Re#97: Gospel is vocal pretty much by definition, AFAIK. I know there's plenty
of instrumental blues out there, but I don't know enough about blues to point
you in the right direction. I really have no idea about instrumental country:
I haven't heard any, but I barely listen to any country at all.
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