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Grex > Oldcoop > #76: member initiative: do not restore two items | |
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richard
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response 77 of 357:
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Jan 11 22:33 UTC 2004 |
In fact why not vote that staff restore the items, but agree to give JEP
private notice that the restoral has taken place, before the rest of us are
told about it, so he has a period of time to go scribble all his posts? How
long could it possibly take for JEP to scribble his posts in those items
anyway?
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jp2
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response 78 of 357:
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Jan 11 22:35 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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naftee
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response 79 of 357:
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Jan 11 23:17 UTC 2004 |
re 75 The way GreXers complicate issues is quite ingenious, I'd have to say.
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keesan
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response 80 of 357:
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Jan 12 01:05 UTC 2004 |
Staff happens to have other important things to do besides undelete items or
mail copies of them to people.
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naftee
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response 81 of 357:
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Jan 12 01:12 UTC 2004 |
And yet, they answer your elementary questions in the system problems' item,
every day. Figure that.
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jep
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response 82 of 357:
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Jan 12 01:19 UTC 2004 |
re resp:77: Why don't you enter a member proposal to that effect,
Richard? Then if this one fails, that one might take effect. Maybe
that one would take precedence; I don't know.
This item is about my proposal, which I am not going to alter in the
way that you suggest.
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naftee
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response 83 of 357:
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Jan 12 01:27 UTC 2004 |
In that case, your proposal will fail. Plain and simple.
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janc
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response 84 of 357:
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Jan 12 02:08 UTC 2004 |
An extremely small number of voices have been heard from in this item.
I don't think you have any basis for you opinion.
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gelinas
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response 85 of 357:
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Jan 12 02:31 UTC 2004 |
(Lots of people respond in the Systems Problems item. Very few of them are
staff members.)
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jep
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response 86 of 357:
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Jan 12 03:03 UTC 2004 |
I will be asking the members of Grex to help me, and I think they will
respond favorably to a request like that.
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cyklone
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response 87 of 357:
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Jan 12 03:36 UTC 2004 |
See my proposal in #75, #90
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naftee
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response 88 of 357:
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Jan 12 06:01 UTC 2004 |
re 85 Then clearly they should become staff, since they're doing the staff's
job.
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jep
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response 89 of 357:
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Jan 12 19:10 UTC 2004 |
What needs to happen to bring this proposal to a vote? I am not
familiar with the procedure.
Thanks!
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other
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response 90 of 357:
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Jan 12 19:14 UTC 2004 |
item:coop,2 By-laws:
ARTICLE 5: VOTING PROCEDURES
a. Any member of Grex may make a motion by entering it as the
text of a discussion item in a computer conference on Grex
designated for this purpose. The item is then used for
discussion of the motion. All Grex users may participate in
the discussion. No action on the motion is taken for two
weeks. At the end of two weeks, the author may then submit a
final version for a vote by the membership. The vote is
conducted on-line over a period of ten days.
b. A motion will be considered to have passed if more
votes were cast in favor than against, except as provided
for bylaw amendments.
c. For voting purposes, a day will run midnight to midnight. In
the event of continuous system downtime of 24 hours or more,
the voting period will be adjusted to compensate.
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jep
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response 91 of 357:
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Jan 12 19:30 UTC 2004 |
Thanks!
I grow very weary of this process and of the attacks, the bizarre
attempts to circumvent what is going on, and of following the same
discussion in 11 different items.
I am looking forward to this being over with. I expect to then take a
vacation from coop, and possibly even from Grex. No, I won't be mass
deleting responses from all of Grex or anything. There is something
wrong, though, when it requires this much effort, and discussion, and
endurance, to make a simple request. I didn't expect it and wasn't
prepared for it, and I resent it.
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gull
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response 92 of 357:
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Jan 12 19:35 UTC 2004 |
It works the same for you as for everyone else, jep.
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jp2
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response 93 of 357:
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Jan 12 19:36 UTC 2004 |
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jp2
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response 94 of 357:
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Jan 12 19:36 UTC 2004 |
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jep
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response 95 of 357:
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Jan 12 21:46 UTC 2004 |
re resp:92: I have not been through this type of process before on
Grex. I haven't been through anything here with this level of attacks.
I've been through a similar process, when I was on Arbornet's Board of
Directors, but I was elected to that. I knew what I was getting into.
If you think it should be normal that a Grex member should go through
all of these items, attacks, haranguing, difficulty, etc. as part of
sending a request to the staff, well, I disagree. That's what I did,
and it's been a lot more difficult and distressing than what I had
expected.
jp2: You're not worth responding to any more.
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willcome
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response 96 of 357:
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Jan 12 21:49 UTC 2004 |
jp2's and jep's spat is
SAD
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cyklone
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response 97 of 357:
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Jan 12 21:55 UTC 2004 |
All actions have consequences. Some are unintended. Some are undesirable.
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other
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response 98 of 357:
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Jan 12 21:59 UTC 2004 |
Some are tasty.
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gull
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response 99 of 357:
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Jan 12 22:51 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:95: When you deliberately get a staff member to do something
that most other staff members feel is a violation of policy, I think you
can expect it to be controversial.
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jmsaul
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response 100 of 357:
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Jan 12 23:08 UTC 2004 |
John -- if you had followed Jan's advice and had the items temporarily removed
pending a membership vote, rather than taking his out-of-control wife's help
and getting them summarily deleted, you'd have a lot more friends on this
issue.
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naftee
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response 101 of 357:
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Jan 12 23:31 UTC 2004 |
re 95 They didn't start as "attacks". They migrated.
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