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dbratman
response 76 of 157: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 22:17 UTC 2002

Well, I hope PRESENT is a good album.  The return of Prior is a good 
sign, because I didn't like the sans-Prior albums at all.  I very much 
liked the Harries-Genocky rhythm section period, and I wonder what a 
Kemp-Genocky one will sound like.  (The web page says "a classic and 
much-loved line-up", but these two guys never played together in a 
regular Steeleye lineup.)

As for the selection of tracks, there's not a one I dislike, though 
there are certainly a few I'd be happy to dump in favor of others 
omitted which I like much better.  Of course "Gaudete" and "Long 
Lankin" are there, the two songs without which no Best of pre-reunion 
Steeleye could be complete, and it's amusing to see "King Henry" (which 
I've always considered a rough draft for "Long Lankin") there as well.  
Interesting that there's only one post-reunion song, though: "Let Her 
Go Down", which I suppose is one of the better non-Prior numbers from 
SAILS OF SILVER.
krj
response 77 of 157: Mark Unseen   Dec 11 22:19 UTC 2002

Mike Harding (BBC Radio 2 folk show host) played "Blackleg Miner" 
from the new Steeleye album on today's show.  It's the opening track,
so if you can find the show on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 
you can go right to it.  
 
It's always great to hear Maddy's voice, and I'm sure I'll buy this 
eventually, but the instrumentals were kind of blah, and I'm in no 
rush.
 
David: I've never had any patience for the song "Let Her Go Down,"
it always triggers a bit of a gag reflex.  The English Country Blues
Band has a *much* better shipwreck song, "Wreck of the Northfleet;"
of course, they didn't write that one, it comes from an old broadsheet.
dbratman
response 78 of 157: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 20:22 UTC 2002

Ken, I wouldn't mind if you gagged at the entirety of SAILS OF SILVER, 
but I don't see where "Let Her Go Down" is worthy of being singled 
out.  For me, the most gaggy moment on the entire album is one line 
in "Gone to America": "I asked if I could see him, and they said no."

Hm, it seems stupider in context.

Anyway, the whole album is inferior examples of songs done better when 
they were adapted from folk sources.  I'm sure that "Wreck of the 
Northfleet" is a better shipwreck song than "Let Her Go Down".  Heck, 
even "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is a better shipwreck song 
than "Let Her Go Down" (despite its own famously gaggy line, "As the 
big freighters go, it was bigger than most").  But "Let Her Go Down" 
hardly stands out on SAILS in respect of better examples.  How 
about "Longbone" as the poorest ever Bob Johnson monster song, eh?
dbratman
response 79 of 157: Mark Unseen   Dec 13 20:24 UTC 2002

I should add also that while I was, and continue to be, tremendously 
impressed by the instrumentals of Steeleye's Genocky period in the new 
songs, I haven't been so impressed by most of their remake songs.  A 
couple of exceptions: "Padstow" on TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT worked a bit 
better than the original, and "Twa Corbies" on TIME is just amazing.
krj
response 80 of 157: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 20:41 UTC 2003

From a UK mail order firm I have an announcement of an 
upcoming Richard Thompson album:  "The Old Kit Bag," due early 
February in the UK.  No further info yet.
krj
response 81 of 157: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 21:10 UTC 2003

http://www.richardthompson-music.com/

Reports that the UK release will be on Cooking Vinyl in Feb;
USA release scheduled for April, no label given.  There are some
nice FAQ answers about upcoming/possible live recordings.
krj
response 82 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 21:22 UTC 2003

If you were thinking of getting the new Steeleye Span release PRESENT:
I suggest not getting it from Amazon.com, who want US $35 for it.
 
The UK Amazon store lists it for only 12 UK pounds.  My vague recollection
is that UK sources are pricing it as a "standard" release, even though 
it is a 2-CD set. 
 
Another tidbit: there is a very nice Linda Thompson feature in the new 
issue of DIRTY LINEN magazine.
dbratman
response 83 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 21:25 UTC 2003

Thanks for the word, Ken.  UK Amazon was listing a CD of "The King of 
Elfland's Daughter" in print, but when I tried to order it, they had to 
give up, running me through the usual series of 6 apologia e-mails.
krj
response 84 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 21:52 UTC 2003

On folk stuff, the key words to look for on amazon.co.uk are "ships in 
24 hours," meaning they have it in stock.  For anything they don't
have in stock, it gets to be a dice roll -- one has to balance the 
hope of a low price against the fear that the item will never show up, and
usually at that point I switch over to one of the folk specialists 
such as Musikfolk, MusicScotland or ADA, who are more reliable about
stocking the small folk labels and who will tell me promply in email
if they do or do not have an item on hand.

FRoots magazine (formerly Folk Roots) says they are working with 
Amazon on stocking and promotion issues for folk/world/roots music.
 
Rockin' World claims THE KING OF ELFLAND'S DAUGHTER is out of print 
and the proprietor offers a last few copies for $25.  My guess is that 
David will have to pay a small collectible premium for a used CD, or 
else wait until the next time someone thinks the album is worth issuing.

For those who came in late:  ELFLAND is a concept album produced by 
Steeleye Span guitarist Bob Johnson and fiddler Peter Knight after 
they left the band around 1977.
mcnally
response 85 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 22:19 UTC 2003

  Presumably based on the novel by Lord Dunsany?
krj
response 86 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 22:34 UTC 2003

Yes.
dbratman
response 87 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 17:39 UTC 2003

What got me was Amazon's claim that Elfland was in print.  I figured 
there was half a chance they could still get me a copy: such things 
have happened on occasion.  If not, no harm was done.
mcnally
response 88 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 18:46 UTC 2003

  If what he's said elsewhere about the slowdown in his music habits is
  true, he probably hasn't bothered, but I've been wondering whether Ken's
  Richard Thompson fandom is still strong enough to prompt him to order
  RT's newest release "The Old Kit Bag" from England (where it was released
  about a week ago.  Apparently it won't reach the US until at least May.)
krj
response 89 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 12 22:06 UTC 2003

No, I haven't ordered the Thompson yet.  That's how I know this is 
serious.  Also haven't ordered the new Steeleye Span, another band
who I've been devoted to for over 25 years.
 
I did want to mention a couple of things about Thompson.  On the drive
home from our Christmas trip we heard RT's appearance on NPR's "Fresh Air"
show, where he played a cover of Britney Spears' "Ooops! I did it again."
This is going to appear on RT's next fan club release, which is drawn 
from his live show "1000 Years of Popular Music."  
 
Also, there are three outtake MP3s on RT's official web site,
http://www.richardthompson-music.com.  I haven't grabbed them yet myself.
mcnally
response 90 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 06:41 UTC 2003

  Yes, I downloaded those earlier.  I doubt I'll want to listen to
  "I Agree With Pat Metheny" very often, but it was amusing in concert.

micklpkl
response 91 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 15:19 UTC 2003

It was, that. I also thought that R. Thompson's version of "Banks of 
the Nile" available at the URL above was nice, in a haunting way that 
fits the context of the song very well.
dbratman
response 92 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 07:03 UTC 2003

I haven't ordered the new Steeleye yet either.  That's at least partly 
because I like to let items add up before I order from the UK.
anderyn
response 93 of 157: Mark Unseen   Feb 17 15:21 UTC 2003

I'd order the new Steeleye in a second, but I can't. (I hate money.)
krj
response 94 of 157: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 07:36 UTC 2003

The owner of Schoolkids' today tipped me to an upcoming Richard 
Thompson performance at the Michigan Theater.  Confirmed at RT's
official web site:  Monday, April 28.
 
Hmm, should I now go ahead and order the CD from the UK, or should
I hear the new songs live for the first time? 
 
Schoolkids also got in a bunch of new Fairport and Albion Band stuff.
The owner made a point to wave them all under my nose.  Sigh.
Neither group is working to a quality sufficient for me to buy 
their new CDs any more, alas.   Possibly of slightly more interest
is an all-Gaelic album by former Runrig lead singer Donnie Munro, 
but Munro's first solo album left me cold and I have not been willing
to pursue him further.
anderyn
response 95 of 157: Mark Unseen   Mar 9 16:36 UTC 2003

Tickets are on sale for that concert fro $25, according to the Ark calendar
email I got yesterday.
dbratman
response 96 of 157: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 08:05 UTC 2003

So on passing through Berkeley yesterday by myself, which meant I 
wasn't beholden to anybody else's idea of how to spend time, I decided 
to drop in on Down Home Records to see if they had the new Steeleye 
album, "Present".

They didn't, nor did they have "The Journey" which I've also never 
gotten around to buying (though I was at the concert it records).

They did, however, have no fewer than 3 Steeleye live albums I'd never 
seen before.  One was "Gone to Australia", which Ken mentioned a while 
ago when it came out; a second was called "Live at Nottingham", which I 
didn't get because there was a DVD (not with that title) apparently 
covering the same material but more of it; the third was called "Sunken 
Meadows" from Pontiac Records, which says that half of it is a concert 
in Roslyn NY in 1973, and the other half is "Christmas Special 1976".

This ought to scream "bootleg" at anyone looking at it.  I bought it 
anyway.  Oh boy, is it ever a bootleg.  Probably recorded by somebody 
with a battery-operated condenser mike in his pocket.

I also bought the Prior/Carnival album "Gold, Frankincense & Myrrh," 
which I'm listening to right now.  Hmm, this one is really going to 
take some getting used to.
dbratman
response 97 of 157: Mark Unseen   Apr 3 08:14 UTC 2003

A review:

After a couple months' worth of Ken and me sitting around talking about 
how we haven't gotten around to ordering Steeleye Span's "Present" yet, 
I now get to report that I not only have ordered it (directly from 
Park, the label), but it's arrived, I've listened to it, and I am very 
pleased with it.  Remakes of classics and old favorites can give either 
a boost to an album or leave it diminished, depending on how the 
remakes react in one's mind with one's memory of the originals.  This 
one mostly gives a boost, ranking rather above the remakes on "The 
Collection" in that regard.

Where the band's last two studio albums, without Prior, struck me as 
lifeless, and the live album "The Journey" was utterly soggy, due to 
lack of rehearsal, here is the return of what I like to think of as the 
silver age Steeleye that so thrilled me on "Tonight's the Night" 
and "Time".  And while perhaps "Present" doesn't _quite_ rise to the 
heights of overflowing energy of those albums' highlights, it doesn't 
have their low points either.

In fact, I'd say the songs here work not so much by bowling me over 
with their energy, than by a kind of slow inexorability.  "Hard Times 
of Old England" for instance is in a considerably slower tempo than the 
original, the vocals are pure Prior (no backing vocals), and there's 
nothing particularly interesting going on in the instrumentals (except 
for an interesting semi-Spanish break from Bob Johnson on an acoustic 
guitar), yet it has great power and presence: I like it better than the 
earlier version.

I can say that for several other songs.  "Two Magicians" (what the heck 
is that doing on a best-of album?), "The Weaver & the Factory Maid", 
and a few other second-rank songs get really heartfelt performances 
that completely overcome the weaknesses of the earlier versions.  Some 
of the masterpieces don't quite measure up to the first versions, 
especially "Cam Ye O'er Frae France", but even that is better than the 
earlier remake; while the new versions of "Long Lankin" and "King 
Henry" don't have anything new to say, they re-say the old things 
pretty well; and "All Around My Hat" (with a prominent squeezebox not 
mentioned in the instrumental credits) bounces its dotted rhythm along 
very nicely.  I was also quite pleased with "One Misty Moisty Morning", 
which struck a nice balance between slavishly copying the earlier 
version and doing something different.

The general heaviness of silver-age Steeleye can be heard most clearly 
on the two remakes of songs from their early period, "Blackleg Miner" 
(which takes the style of the earlier "Back in Line" remake and turns 
it up a few notches, not entirely successfully), and "When I Was on 
Horseback" (a rather paler reflection of what they did to "Twa Corbies" 
on "Time").

The recording style is mostly close and raw, particularly on the 
vocals.  This gives much power to Prior's vocals, especially on the 
more instrumentally complex songs like "Weaver".  But it's most obvious 
on the group vocals, which sound more like the early 1980s Australian 
tour recordings than anything else.  This raw, rough sort of mix makes 
a splendid effect on "The Lyke Wake Dirge" (on which Peter Knight takes 
lead), and creates a "Gaudete" totally unlike any other performance by 
the band I've ever heard.  Besides the difference in recording style, I 
note that the men are all singing harmony only, leaving the melody line 
solely to Prior, giving a weird effect to the all-male runs of the 
chorus.

Prior is in good voice, though not perhaps at her most dazzling.  Bob 
Johnson sings lead on "Sir James the Rose" and "King Henry", on which 
he's good enough but not outstanding - neither is a highlight of the 
album, sounding too much like mere echoes of the earlier versions.  
(The same could be said of "Thomas the Rhymer".)  Peter Knight, 
besides "Lyke Wake", sings lead on "Go Down", the only non-folk song on 
the album, which I'm pleased to say does not stick out like a sore 
thumb in context.  And Rick Kemp takes over Tim Hart's old part 
on "John Barleycorn".  Listening to Kemp sing lead is like listening to 
President Bush give a speech - you're just hoping he'll get through it 
without screwing up - and while he has to bash the tune down a bit to 
fit his voice, he gives it fair gusto, and again I have to say it has 
more vigor and interest than the earlier version.

This is one happy Steeleye fan, signing off.

anderyn
response 98 of 157: Mark Unseen   Apr 3 13:39 UTC 2003

Oooooh. I want s it. I wants it. Preciousssssss. :-)
krj
response 99 of 157: Mark Unseen   Apr 30 17:04 UTC 2003

Inspired by David's review, I went to order a copy of the new Steeleye
collection today from amazon.co.uk, and I found that Maddy Prior has 
yet another album out.  The new one is called LIONHART (I hope I remember
that correctly) and it's another release in her series of theme albums,  
following on YEAR and ARTHUR THE KING.

(Counting the new Steeleye album, I think this is three major 
releases for Maddy in 12 months, four in 16-18 months.  She's 
keeping very busy!)
 
Then I find at Richard Thompson's website that he has a 5-song, limited
edition EP being released to "select independent stores and chains"
starting around now.  And, the next "fan club" live RT recording
is for sale at the current tour, and on the web site soon.
It's titled "More Guitar" and it's from the 1988 tour, with a band
lineup of:  RT, John Kirkpatrick, Clive Gregson, Christine Collister,
Pat Donaldson bass (ex-Fotheringay) and Kenny Aronoff drums.
Wow, we only had to wait 15 years for it!  
 
The Thompson/Kirkpatrick/Gregson/Collister lineups which Thompson
toured with in the mid-late 1980s remain my favorite of all his 
post-Linda bands.

Unfortunately I missed Monday's RT show at the Michigan Theater, as
we were driving back from the east coast.
mcnally
response 100 of 157: Mark Unseen   May 4 18:58 UTC 2003

  re #99:

  > Then I find at Richard Thompson's website that he has a 5-song, limited
  > edition EP being released to "select independent stores and chains"
  > starting around now. 

  I picked up a copy of "Tracks" at Easy Street Records in West Seattle
  yesterday for $4.99 (less 10%).  They had stacks of them, so I don't
  think that availability will be a problem with this "limited edition"
  but if the record retailing situation in Ann Arbor has grown so bad
  that they can't be found there, I can pick up a few to send to Ken and
  other interested parties.

  The tracks are:

    "I'll Tag Along"             (from the new album)
    "Bathsheba Smiles (live)"    (live version of a song from the last album)
    "Hard on Me (live)"          (live version of a song from the last album)
    "Worldes Blis Ne Last"       (from "1000 Years of Popular Music")
    "Don't Stop the Music"       (from "1000 Years of Popular Music")

  anyone know more about this "1000 Years of Popular Music" project?
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