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Grex > Music2 > #167: Recorded Music Delivery Formats Past & Present |  |
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jshafer
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response 75 of 126:
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Jan 14 21:48 UTC 1999 |
Cool. Glad to know my memory isn't completely off...
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scott
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response 76 of 126:
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Jan 15 00:15 UTC 1999 |
Hhuuuunnnn.... I have a vague memory that there was some mention of differing
styles of use, like the data tapes were better if the transport did a lot of
seeking back and forth. That would be more consistent with a data tape
application (looking for specific files) while an audio tape would tend to
run continuously.
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tpryan
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response 77 of 126:
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Jan 16 21:28 UTC 1999 |
re one of the questions about 33 & 1/3rd: I just recently seen where
33&1/3rd came from...the movie industry. When they where first made,
they where a combination of a disk record and reel of film. It was
a little while later that the film optical sound track came out. So
it happened that if you slowed the 12 or 16" record down from 78 to
33&1/3rd, one reel of film would equal one disk of sound. It think
it was a Western Electric system, put into practical use for the
first talkie "The Jazz Singer".
In the beginning of the Rock & Roll era, many rock & roll records
where also released on 78s in additions to 45s. I was once enchanted with
collecting a number of the Rock & Roll hits on 78s. However, by 1959,
the last of new releases where made on 78s--within 10 years the new
formats had taken over the market. In the late 70's Art Crumb and
his Cheap Suite Seranaders released a song on 78, making the last new
release on a 78. Come the 80's, Rhino records did a significant re-issue of
Rock & Roll 78s, to be used in the highly (now prized) 78rpm jukeboxes.
By 1986, Rhino also issued those Jukebox Classics on 2 CDs (that I have).
I remain amazed that the 45/LP takeover only took 10 years, as
it still possible today to get new releases on LP or singles on 45. The
reign of the LP/45 pretty much lasted 40 years, the 78rpm era lasted about
60(?) years, the wax cylinder era about 40 years. We could guess that we
are already half-way thru the era of the CD. However if an Audio DVD
format can be standardized, and backwards compatable players made, the
CD era could end by 2004, only about a 20 year run. I thought the next
step would be a solid-state device, all memory, no mechanical playback,
just RAM--maybe the gigabyte chip?
The first 12" 45 that I saw was Electra records issueing a Harry
Chapin song in the mid-70's--all 8 minutes of it, as a single. Radio
stations only, as they would wear out the smaller groves necessary very
fast. I have a small collection of commercially released SuperSound
Maxi 45rpms: 4 on 45 by The Rolling Stones (Satisfaction, Paint it Black
Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk Woman); Elton John Band featuring John
Lennon and the Muscle Shoals Horns (John's last public appearance)
(I Saw Her Standing There, Whatever Gets YOu Through The Night, Lucy In The
Sky with Diamonds) 28th November, 1974; The Stray Cats (Stray Cat Strut,
Built for Speed, Sweet Love On My Mind, Drink That Bottle Down); and
Prince (Little REad Corvette (Full Length), Automatic, International Lover);
all of which are probably British imports that found me at Schoolkids).
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keesan
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response 78 of 126:
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Jan 18 04:45 UTC 1999 |
Could one download music from the Internet onto hard disk, for a fee? Jim
says they are considering this with movies.
How big a hard disk would 60 minues of digital music occupy?
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senna
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response 79 of 126:
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Jan 18 07:27 UTC 1999 |
I can, right now, download music onto my hard disk for free. I was earlier
tonight, but for some reason it wasn't working. It's called MP3, and given
the proper promotion could be gigantic in the recording industry.
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shf
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response 80 of 126:
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Jan 18 12:11 UTC 1999 |
mp4 is supposedly smaller, better audio quality, and includes its own player.
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scott
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response 81 of 126:
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Jan 18 12:20 UTC 1999 |
A curretly available portable mp3 player (the Diamond "Rio") holds an hour
of music in 32 Mb of RAM.
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mcnally
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response 82 of 126:
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Jan 18 18:20 UTC 1999 |
to more specifically answer #78:
+ Yes, you can download music from the Internet.
the most popular downloadable music format right now is called MP3,
though other formats exist.
there are many MP3 audio files that amateur artists have made available
for free over the internet, some professional musicians have also made
songs available for free download but there are also many recordings of
professional musicians that are distributed without the permission of
the copyright holder.
The music industry is very concerned about Internet music and is convinced
that widescale piracy of audio files over the internet is costing them big
money, they've been actively trying to hamper the MP3 format (which of
course, the Internet being what it is, has only given MP3 a kind of cool
image which has made it even more popular.
Some artists have begun to experiment with the notion of making their
new work available for download at a fee -- this is primarily popular
with obscure bands who don't have major-label record contracts but a
few of the more technophilic successful artists have also been trying this.
+ How much space an hour of recorded music takes up depends on the sampling
rate at which the music was digitized (higher rate is better but takes up
more space -- "CD quality" sound is sampled at 44.1Khz or 44,100 samples
per second..) and also on the format in which the data is stored -- most
popular audio formats include some sort of data compression because
otherwise the files are *huge*. A full CD's worth of audio data
*uncompressed* is about 660MB (for about 72 minutes of music..)
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senna
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response 83 of 126:
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Jan 19 05:27 UTC 1999 |
I download only live audio files which are not commercially available, thus
not cutting into the artist's profits. This is, however, mostly coincidental,
since the only things I want to hear are live.
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cloud
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response 84 of 126:
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Jan 24 03:28 UTC 1999 |
The music industry must not be doing such a hot job of quashing the "Rio".
I've seen for sale all over the place. It's not as expencive as I thought
it would be, either, 'though it ain't cheap.
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lumen
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response 85 of 126:
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Jan 25 07:22 UTC 1999 |
The MTV special I was alluding to earlier says that the recoil reaction of
the music business to MP3 and other soundwave files has actually fueled their
appeal, making it seem 'cool'.
Hmm..blame it on the old counterculture.
Of course, the court rulings helped, too.
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mcnally
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response 86 of 126:
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Jan 25 07:48 UTC 1999 |
The music industry's opposition is *definitely* fueling the popularity of
the MP3 format. On the whole it's just really not that convenient for most
people. Most internet users don't have the bandwidth, the storage, or
the patience to really make it practical.. (Yet!)
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orinoco
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response 87 of 126:
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Jan 25 19:34 UTC 1999 |
There's been a lot of hubbub about how the combination of home-appliance CD
burners and the MP3 format will mean a lot more music distribution over the
internet. Why does nobody seem to be downloading music and then taping it?
I've never tried this, but it seems like it would be as easy as plugging the
speaker port of yr computer into the microphone port of a tape recorder. Is
there some hidden catch to this, or are people doing it and it's just not
getting as much publicity, or what?
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jazz
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response 88 of 126:
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Jan 25 20:02 UTC 1999 |
It's entirely feasible. I'm burning some of the old IEC demo reels
for the band's former drummer right now.
The problem is it's lower-fidelity, really, and it's somewhat
cumbersome to convert audio input (analogue) to wav or mp3 format.
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jiffer
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response 89 of 126:
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Jan 25 20:48 UTC 1999 |
orinoco, its possible and it has been done. =)
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scott
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response 90 of 126:
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Jan 26 00:19 UTC 1999 |
It can be done, but most sound cards yield pretty crappy sound used this way.
A good sound card is a bit more expensive.
I'd like to see portable players that can read mp3 loaded CDs, so I could
accumulate a bunch of tracks on just a few CDs. Granted I no longer travel
with a CD player, but when I did I carried about 20 CDs in plastic sleeves
and still missed stuff I hadn't brought with me.
A really neat idea for Rio type devices (mp3 playback) I read somewhere would
be to download several hours of talk (books on tape, NPR, etc) at a
less-than-CD level, and have news with you at your convenience.
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jazz
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response 91 of 126:
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Jan 26 13:50 UTC 1999 |
If audio advances follow PDAs, that's entirely viable. PDA's - about
the same price range - handle the same FLASH PCMCIA cards (usually Minis) and
are considerably more flexible when it comes to downloading and playing
nonstandard formats. You could even record RA for a PDA.
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mcnally
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response 92 of 126:
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Jan 27 05:33 UTC 1999 |
Yeah, I think that the convergence of PDA with music player is only a
matter of time (and storage practicality.. it can be done right now
but for it to *really* take off a more convenient / cheaper / higher
density flash memory technology would help..)
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jazz
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response 93 of 126:
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Jan 27 20:20 UTC 1999 |
FLASH is pricey now because it's not a popularly viable technology.
Perhaps minidisc readers will prove more popular when redesigned and
repackaged?
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orinoco
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response 94 of 126:
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Jan 29 01:02 UTC 1999 |
What it PDA? I've only ever heard that acronym for Public Display of
Affection, and that can't be right.
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fungster
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response 95 of 126:
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Jan 29 01:56 UTC 1999 |
Personal Digital Assistant.
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mcnally
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response 96 of 126:
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Jan 29 04:04 UTC 1999 |
meaning a handheld computer like a PalmPilot or a Newton or such..
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orinoco
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response 97 of 126:
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Jan 29 20:19 UTC 1999 |
Ah. Right. Good.
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jazz
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response 98 of 126:
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Jan 30 12:35 UTC 1999 |
The new ones are pretty versatile. Instead of using the PalmPilot's
USR-Dragonball processor, they use a MIPS or SH-3, and run a very
stripped-down OS with some resemblance to Windows called Windows CE (the start
menu is about the only similarity). Although ordinarily I wouldn't be
enthusiastic about yet another computer running Windows, or any Microsoft
product, they do integrate well with existing Windows boxes, and have proven
quite handy.
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scott
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response 99 of 126:
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Jan 30 13:25 UTC 1999 |
It's pretty hard to get more efficient than the PalmOS operating system,
though. WinCE devices need 3-4x the hardware just to keep up. Besides, I
refuse to use a PDA that doesn't have its CPU named after an anime series.
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