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kerouac
response 75 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 30 20:04 UTC 1996

but what if val or blondval *want* it named "val" or 'valerie', I dont
think one valerie owns the rights to the name
ajax
response 76 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 07:10 UTC 1996

Perhaps we could auction off the naming rights as a fundraiser?  :-)
 
The reason I like "mail" is that it's very easy to remember or guess.
Having used about a half dozen different ISPs over the last year, I
appreciate it when news servers are named "news," and mail servers are
named "mail."  (Prepended to the ISP's domain name, of course, like
mail.ic.net).  While Grex isn't an ISP, there are still times when
people will want to type in the mail server name, and I think "mail"
is the easiest name to remember or guess.
 
For machines like our router or terminal server, where people outside
staff rarely type the names, I have no strong naming preferences.
nephi
response 77 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 1 07:41 UTC 1996

I agree with Rob above.  

I think that we can give it a "cool" "proper" name, like egrex 
or gridlock, or whatever, and then alias it to any number of 
other, more memorable names, including mail.  I'm pretty sure 
that there's no oposition to this sentiment, unless Kerouac has 
seen this.  

As an aside, accessU.S. has all sorts of names for our mail 
server -- mtvernon1, mail, smtp, pop, mailhost, and so on . . . 
remmers
response 78 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 11:48 UTC 1996

Re #75: Hey, I think all users should have equal naming rights.
A request by someone named Valerie to name it The Valerie should
receive the same weight as someone named Richard to call it The
Dick.
robh
response 79 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 12:51 UTC 1996

So has anyone named Valerie actually indicated that they like the idea?
dang
response 80 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 13:16 UTC 1996

Not that I know of.
remmers
response 81 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 16:22 UTC 1996

I request that it be named The John.
orinoco
response 82 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 23:04 UTC 1996

What about 'Grail'?  For those who want a cool name, for those who want  to
include the word 'mail', and for those who want some reference to the word
'grex'...
kerouac
response 83 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 23:35 UTC 1996

how bout "altgrex"?  or "grex2" or "grexmail"?
krj
response 84 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 05:30 UTC 1996

I like calling it The John.  It's going to be so slow, people will 
spend lots of time in it, reading.
omni
response 85 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 3 19:30 UTC 1996

 looking for a....a...GRail?   I like the sound of it.
janc
response 86 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 00:17 UTC 1996

Well, the naming issues are really pretty moot unless we decide that we
actually want to do something like this.

The negatives I see right now are:
  - Some inconvenience to people who use both mail and bbs, since it is
    may be harder to switch between reading mail and reading bbs or party.
    Some of this may be mitigated with improving software.
  - A considerable increase in the complexity of the system (two computers,
    two routers, etc.) which will make system administration more difficult.
  - Less than full utilization of our link bandwidth.  We are keeping the
    conferencing side fast by not letting mail saturate the link.  In
    otherwords, we are deliberately keeping some bandwidth idle most of the
    time.
  - Reduction of the likelihood that mail users will stumble into the
    conferences.  This may be mitigated by suitable design.
orinoco
response 87 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 02:48 UTC 1996

Mentioning the conferences frequently in the mail machine might help that last
one.  
popcorn
response 88 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 09:48 UTC 1996

(Re the Edna books: Actually, we do know how they got into the Dungeon.  The
person who took them out of the library says that he's going to return them
eventually.  He also says that the library's computers are sufficiently
confused that the library does not realize that these books are missing.)
janc
response 89 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 18:23 UTC 1996

One other disadvantage:
  - Twice as many computers cost twice as much electricity.  This might
    well add $60 or so to our monthly electric bill.
orinoco
response 90 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 02:07 UTC 1996

Although making the conferences more worthwhile might net us a few more
members...<says the chronic non-member>
tsty
response 91 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 06:01 UTC 1996

cast a vote for tsty    and your membership can be established
by using your mastercard of visa --- and you will be cronic no longer.
  
set shamelesspoliticalplug=off
popcorn
response 92 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 08:17 UTC 1996

TS, I am trying to figure out how you can promise that.  The whole board
would have to approve of accepting credit cards; it's not a decision that any
one board member could make for Grex single handedly.  Also, there are issues
about it that would need to be worked out here in the co-op conference.
For example, if Visa charges 2% (a number I made up) of the cost of each
transaction, would people have to pay 2% extra to buy a membership with a
credit card?  Or would Grex absorb the loss?  I'm not sure which of those
options would be right for Grex, or maybe something else, but I'd think
it would have to be discussed here in co-op, first, where all Grex users
can have input into the decision.

Also, what does accepting credit cards have to do with partitioning Grex?
e4808mc
response 93 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 18:50 UTC 1996

Visa and Mastercard have explicit regulations that you cannot charge different
prices to people who use their credit cards.  Nor can you give "cash
discounts" to people who pay by cash.  If you sign a credit card agreement,
the charge (3% I think) comes out of your overhead, ie Grex absorbs the loss.
mta
response 94 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 21:05 UTC 1996

With our margins, that quickly becomes untenable.
kerouac
response 95 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 22:09 UTC 1996

unless grex charges a higher dues structure for those who pay by credit
card ($7 a month instead of $6)
srw
response 96 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 22:14 UTC 1996

Read resp:93 and concentrate on the first sentence very carefully.
Now lets talk about partitioning Grex.
rcurl
response 97 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 9 23:08 UTC 1996

But you can give a "cash discount" - many gas stations do this.
e4808mc
response 98 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 00:38 UTC 1996

Not if they take visa and mastercard.  Amoco was the last holdout, and now
even they have the same price for cash and credit.  
davel
response 99 of 121: Mark Unseen   Dec 10 02:21 UTC 1996

(Some gas stations used to do this even with Visa & Mastercard, but it's
contrary to their agreements.  I suspect that there are quite a few folks who
get paid for finding places that do this; it's been a long time since I've
seen it.)
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