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pfv
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response 75 of 104:
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Aug 10 05:48 UTC 1996 |
Nope...
That was my counter-rant to the assault-rant of selena ;-)
I define "member" as someone that applies for membership and pays for the
priveleges of same.. Is there a prob with the definition?
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brighn
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response 76 of 104:
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Aug 10 10:28 UTC 1996 |
Silly Pete, rants are more than one line, so neither you nor Selena were
ranting. Jenna was ranting.
Also, you might try to stop pretending you understand and belong in arguments
that far predate you. If Scott annoys me on certain topics, I'll swack him
and get on with it (and then he'll swack me back). If you annoy me, well,
*snort*. Petulent newby.
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birdlady
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response 77 of 104:
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Aug 10 13:51 UTC 1996 |
If Scott attacked *you*, brighn, then why did Selena send me mail telling me
not to become a member because that post was directed at *her*? It was to
you from Scott...or are you and selena the same person...?
Jenna -- members are simply people who decide to contribute to Grex because
they want to and can afford it. Just because you don't pay membership fees
doesn't mean we think you don't care about Grex. My thought is simply,
"Okay...she can't afford the fees...not a big deal". I was on Grex for a year
and a half before I decided to cough up six bucks a month. Settle down.
Chill, babes... =)
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pfv
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response 78 of 104:
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Aug 11 00:22 UTC 1996 |
re 76:
Newbie? Ok.. If you say so... Reluctant Convert is a better choice
of words..
Ranting is (as Eldest Sib) making an argument/statement against
something that is either/neither worth arguing about or logical
enough to be considered a statement/argument to begin with.
The "Selena Issue" of resenting being registered/verified as a
person, to become a member falls into this category..
My responses (typically snide &/| facetious) are nearly as bad,
But are offered to point out the ludicrous stand of the initial
statement/assumption/argument.
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brighn
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response 79 of 104:
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Aug 11 01:48 UTC 1996 |
That post *was* directed to Selena, Sarah.
Pay attention:
Selena bitched about something that she's bitched about before and never
gotten satisfactorily resolved.
Scott responded with the response he's always given, at least since the first
round or two of the debate.
I responded because certain Grex staffers consistently respond to legitimate,
if ad nauseam, complaints with rudeness, instead of just ignoring them, Scott
being one of these.
Scott responded to my attack on him.
The three of us have done this tango before, we'll do it many times again.
(Eventually Selena will log back into this item and add her $.02 to the
dance...)
No, I'm not Selena, though you're not the first person to suggest that I am.
I happen to be very close to Selena, so of course I occasionally defend her.
Anything wrong with that?
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popcorn
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response 80 of 104:
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Aug 11 22:40 UTC 1996 |
As far as I can tell, the only thing that will satisfy Selena is having Grex
do things her way. The topic has been discussed to death, and the majority
of people think that it would be a Bad Idea to do it Selena's way. What's
unresolved? As far as I can tell, Selena has a problem taking "no" for an
answer.
Selena: I have a problem with you sending e-mail to Sarah asking her not
to become a member. It's one thing to decide not to support the system
yourself. It's very much another thing to actively damage Grex by
discouraging other people from becoming members.
<valerie dons teflon, since it's usually required when speaking to selena>
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pfv
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response 81 of 104:
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Aug 12 01:10 UTC 1996 |
Don't sweat it popcorn...
Maybe selena will get really pissed off an try to pull the same stunt on
Mnet (while it lasts)... The abuse over THERE should make a lasting
impression that is only rivaled by a 2x4 to the head ;-)
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brighn
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response 82 of 104:
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Aug 12 01:23 UTC 1996 |
*brighn winks at valerie knowingly and swats at PETE, the pesky newby fly*
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selena
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response 83 of 104:
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Aug 12 05:01 UTC 1996 |
Unless you are going to suddenly make it against grexxian law, I will
email whom I wish about not suppoorting grex.
ANd, frankly, I email in confidence. If I wanted everyone to know I'd
mailed you that, Sarah, I simply would have posted. Thank you very much.
No, popcorn, nothing's been resolved regarding my membership.
Oh, but you'd like to believe that wouldn't you?
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jenna
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response 84 of 104:
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Aug 12 05:13 UTC 1996 |
I know what a member is, Sarah...
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janc
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response 85 of 104:
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Aug 12 06:55 UTC 1996 |
(Mail, paper or email, becomes the property of the recipient, who may publish
it as he or she wishes.)
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brighn
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response 86 of 104:
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Aug 12 07:12 UTC 1996 |
Ah, Jan, so when I mail a story in to a publisher, it becomes their property,
and they may publish it as they wish? Watch how you phrase things.
No, I'm not trying to move that conversation over here. =} I'm just trying
to point out the absurdity of that statement. I don't think Selena was saying
that Sarah was violating some law or other, I think that she was saying that
Sarah was being rude. I agree, Sarah's post sounded very much like
tattle-tale, although I'll admit personal bias on this issue.
I also go tthe impression that Popcorn was speaking not as a representative
of Grex, but as an individual user. It also bothers me that people are
actively discouraging other people from becoming members. It's Sarah's money.
If I had the money, I'd become a member, if only to help vote certain
individuals out of office (though I forget who's elected in and who's
appointed, so I might not have a problem with any of the elected folks).
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tsty
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response 87 of 104:
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Aug 12 10:47 UTC 1996 |
if i were to cross-post a response from another grex confrence into this
item, since it cogently discusses logins and groups of logins who may
wish to alter the way a system responds to its users, it might create
a nasty situation - so i won't.
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birdlady
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response 88 of 104:
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Aug 12 13:42 UTC 1996 |
I posted that she mailed me because I was trying to make a point. Forget it.
It's lost now. A lot of discussion was done through e-mail anyway before I
even posted here. I am *not* a tattletale. I'm twenty years old for gods
sakes, and I can argue my point efficiently and to the end without using
scapegoats. Hmmph. Besides...how was I being rude by telling Selena that
I was going to become a member regardless of what she says? That's not
rudeness; That's showing that you can think and decide for yourself without
the influence of others.
Jenna -- I *know* you know what a member is...I was just trying to make you
feel better because you seemed quite upset about the whole thing.
Now...what the heck was the original topic of this discussion before the
bickering started?
Furthermore, brighn, I can reproduce, copy, and quote e-mail whenever and to
whomever I please. Don't tell me you've requested permission from every
single person who's ever sent you a joke, humor article, or announcement
before you forwarded it. If my mother asks how Mike O'Leary's doing, and I
tell her that he said he's doing fine and leaving for a trip to his cousin's
is that copyright infringement? I think *not*. Therefore, I can quote Selena
is I damn well please.
<set rant off>
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janc
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response 89 of 104:
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Aug 12 14:09 UTC 1996 |
I'm not guessing or making this up. You can publish letters sent to you in
the mail without requiring permission from the sender. I've seen this debated
literally dozens of times on line and the legal opinions are always the same.
The manuscript case is interesting, and I admit I don't know exactly where
the lawyers draw the line between sending books through the mail and sending
letters, but there is a line drawn there. You can publish letters people send
you. And I think it was entirely appropriate for Sarah to do so.
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birdlady
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response 90 of 104:
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Aug 12 14:15 UTC 1996 |
To make this even sillier than it already is, I didn't publish teh letter in
the first place. I merely stated the idea behind what she said. I was
*paraphrasing*. And, according to most of my English profs, paraphrases don't
even have to be footnoted.
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brighn
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response 91 of 104:
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Aug 12 16:43 UTC 1996 |
You're right, Sarah, it *is* becoming silly. I was joking with Jan, since
he said (or I thought he said) that anything mailed to you became your
property, which is silly. Obviously a casual letter like, "Hi, how ya doing?
I'm all right, I guess. My vacation was cut short by the flu, but hey, that's
the way it goes sometimes. I should be down in your part of the state later
this month and I was wondering if I could get together with you and talk about
that project we were thinking of doing, you know, that thing on Medieval
princes? Well, let me know." is not the sort of thing copyright lawsuits are
made of. If my humor is too dry for you, watch some more Brit TV, you'll
catch on.
Your English profs should be slapped hard if they really said that.
Parapphrases which are not footnoted are plagiarism. That's beside the point,
though.
*dons Emily Post tact-hat*
The most appropriate initial post would have been:
"Another user has mailed me privately suggesting that I should not become a
member. Can you believe the gall? I'm becoming a member anyway... some
people!" That would have gotten the same point across. But you're quite
right, you're entitled to say who the member is, and I'm entitled to think
(and say) you're being rude.
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remmers
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response 92 of 104:
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Aug 12 17:01 UTC 1996 |
Re #86: To see a list of the (elected) board members, type
!board
and to see a list of the (appointed) staff members, type
!staff
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yoyo
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response 93 of 104:
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Aug 13 00:14 UTC 1996 |
(Settling back with a bowl of chips for a damm fine center ring fight)
Thanks for the entertainment.
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scg
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response 94 of 104:
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Aug 13 04:24 UTC 1996 |
Selena has the right to send mail to whoever she wants, about whatever she
wants, as long as it's not slander or libel or anything. At the same time,
the rest of us have the right to strongly object to Selena sending mail to
people telling them not to send money to Grex, while at the same time
continuing to use Grex for free (where does she think the money to support
her use of Grex will com efrom, if she is successful in getting people to stop
donating money?). We can't stop her, but we can object to what she says.
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brighn
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response 95 of 104:
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Aug 13 04:40 UTC 1996 |
Thanks, John.
I must say, I'm happy with all of the board. I may have personal beefs with
two of them, but besides that personal stuff, I must say they're doing a
pretty good job, all things considered. So now I don't have to become a
member, I don't have anyone to vote out... *ducks and covers and giggles*
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birdlady
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response 96 of 104:
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Aug 13 13:31 UTC 1996 |
You're entitled to think (and say) that I'm being rude, and I'm entitled to
think (and say) that sometimes you're too darn nitpicky and sensitive. But
enough of this stupid arguing. Christ, brighn, I swear you and I are the
poster children for a love/hate relationship. =) Ah well -- new season in
a month, and I'll be back into complacent dormancy. You're right...I should
not hav said that it was Selena. In fact, I was surprised that I *did* say
that. This is what I get for logging on after ten hour shifts in the middle
of the night. I *do*, however*, stand by that stupid copyright issue (joke
or no joke). Truce?
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tsty
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response 97 of 104:
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Aug 13 14:26 UTC 1996 |
that sounds nice ...
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brighn
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response 98 of 104:
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Aug 13 15:17 UTC 1996 |
Sarah, it's only worth arguing with people that are willing to hug and make
up afterward... =} Of course I'm pitpicky and sensitivie. It even says so
in my plan. Truce, at least until someone ticks me off again. *giggle*
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remmers
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response 99 of 104:
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Aug 13 16:32 UTC 1996 |
I never hug and make up afterward, so I am sure you will never
bother to argue with me again.
(Thanks for letting me know how to get you off my back,
Paul! :)
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