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Grex > Coop8 > #93: "Conference Sampler" link from Grex's homepage? | |
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remmers
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response 75 of 112:
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Aug 12 12:50 UTC 1996 |
I'm not actively involved in conferencing at EMU, except as
the organizer of a small private conference (which happens to
be web-accessible, by the way). In any case, EMU isn't at all
comparable to Grex conferencing-wise. Verification is required
for access to EMU's systems; there's no such thing as an
"open newuser". I don't see what light a pre-test at EMU,
even if it could be arranged, would shed on Grex's situation.
My reason for proposing this is to motivate people who find
Grex via its web page to take out an account and get involved
in the conferences, by showing them some of the active
discussions they can participate in if they do so. If I
thought that my proposal would discourage people from posting
their creative efforts on Grex, I would drop it, as I think
that Grex's creative writers are a big part of what makes Grex
so special. But I don't believe it will. I can tell you that
it won't discourage me, and I post quite a bit of my writing
(poems, short prose pieces) here.
Since Grex has an open newuser policy and doesn't verify
people, I don't see that making a conference web-accessible
is much different from the accessibility that now exists,
especially if I set it up so that items won't be indexed by
webcrawlers, which I'm willing to do. People can already read
conferences anonymously, and silently and untraceably make
copies of what they see. That's been the case for five years.
Some of the objections voiced here seem to me to apply equally
well to the intro conference itself (posting people's words in
another place, without their explicit permission), or to
allowing unverified access via our open newuser. But I don't
hear anybody calling for the elimination of either of those.
I will modify the program so that conference material won't
be indexed by webcrawlers. Not sure how soon I'll get to it.
But hey, if we keep arguing about it here, Backtalk will be
ready before this is, and the whole thing will be moot. :)
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brighn
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response 76 of 112:
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Aug 12 16:34 UTC 1996 |
In the case of Intro, John, I did mention that, obliquely: when items are
linked between conferences at all, the etiquette (and strong etiquette it is)
is to place a post announcing the link. That way, if anyone *does* have a
problem with the link (as in a link a while back between Sexuality and
Accordions, where the Accordionites -- mostly folks playing on the Net until
they could get part of the River working -- were wanting to make fun of a
serious item), they can say so, and the item can be delinked. Granted, this
is after the fact (and in my example, a lot of damage was done as a result,
including the only total kill of an active item I've ever seen, the fallout
of which led in part to MDW refusing to talk to me about anything), but it's
better than nothing.
ITems here may seem unimportant, and many of them are, but many of them are
much more important to the poster than people may realize, and it's weird
which items are important to which users.
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remmers
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response 77 of 112:
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Aug 12 16:54 UTC 1996 |
Perhaps if this thang of mine ever gets installed, robh can
phrase the link announcement as "This item is now linked to the
web-accessible Intro conference."
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robh
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response 78 of 112:
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Aug 12 18:51 UTC 1996 |
robh could probably manage that, yes.
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birdlady
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response 79 of 112:
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Aug 13 13:25 UTC 1996 |
That sounds like a good idea.
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selena
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response 80 of 112:
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Aug 14 05:10 UTC 1996 |
Wouldn't it be a good idea to ask BEFORE you link? Just curious..
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tsty
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response 81 of 112:
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Aug 14 17:38 UTC 1996 |
consider, please, that since this is gonna happen regardless, that no
existing cnferences be *put* out there. Any NEW conference may be subject
to non-loginid exposure if the board votes to expose said new conference.
in fact, how about starting a NEW conference for the purpose of remmers'
experiment? remmers could even be the FW. see how it goes. this seems
much more to be a 'new conf proposal' imo.
btw, restarts are not new conferences.
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brighn
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response 82 of 112:
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Aug 14 21:23 UTC 1996 |
Cool idea, TSTY. "The Web conference"...
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selena
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response 83 of 112:
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Aug 15 04:30 UTC 1996 |
I like the sound of that..
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remmers
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response 84 of 112:
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Aug 15 14:34 UTC 1996 |
I'm puzzled why "non-login-id" exposure is such a big issue when
we have an open newuser and no verification of users. People can
read the conferences anonymously *now* and have always been able
to.
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brighn
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response 85 of 112:
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Aug 15 15:04 UTC 1996 |
Be as puzzled as you want, John. The human mind has never been a terribly
rational thing. At any rate, you've said that at least twice now, stop
repeating yourself. =}
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chelsea
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response 86 of 112:
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Aug 15 19:02 UTC 1996 |
There are some very positive aspects to allowing users to
read Grex before having to run through newuser. I guess
I too am waiting for a good reason why this shouldn't
be done. (The indexing problem is no longer an issue.)
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russ
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response 87 of 112:
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Aug 15 22:04 UTC 1996 |
Re #84: Taking out a loginid at least requires showing a telnet
address and makes someone a potential participant.
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scg
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response 88 of 112:
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Aug 16 03:34 UTC 1996 |
Reading stuff on the web makes it just as easy as telnetting does to see what
I{ address somebody is coming from.
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mta
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response 89 of 112:
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Aug 16 04:15 UTC 1996 |
Actually if what Steve says is true then using the Web makes it more likely
that we'll know where someone is coming from. If I cared to pay for telephone
access I could have *completely* anonymous access from anywhere in the worin
the world -- just by calling in on the modem lines.
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selena
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response 90 of 112:
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Aug 16 21:49 UTC 1996 |
Well, we had to go through the pain of newuser to put those files there-
they should have to, to read them!
There's an awful lot of stuff in newuser that introduces people to what grex is
all about- I'd rather they view my stuff after they go through all that,
rather than before.
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russ
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response 91 of 112:
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Aug 16 22:01 UTC 1996 |
Selena has a point. I would be much more likely to hold back on
certain topics if I knew that the conference was accessible in real
time by people who had not even read the newuser text.
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scg
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response 92 of 112:
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Aug 16 23:08 UTC 1996 |
Being forced to go through the pain of newuser. Ah, so that's the next new
thing in user interface design? Making the userhave to earn what they get
out of the computer? No more of this liberal user friendly stuff, which is
really just those who are doing the programming subsidizing people too lazy
to use very complex computer programs to do simple things? I get it now.
It's the Republican computer geeks.
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mta
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response 93 of 112:
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Aug 17 00:02 UTC 1996 |
<laugh> That's great, Steve! <chortle>
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brighn
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response 94 of 112:
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Aug 17 04:47 UTC 1996 |
Well, Hell and gosh, Steve, if that's your attitude, why the fuck don't you
suggest we just dismantle newuser?
*spit on the ground*
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scg
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response 95 of 112:
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Aug 17 06:11 UTC 1996 |
For people who want to have accounts here, we need some way of creating them.
Newuser is one way. Jan's web based newuser, which has been up and running
for a few months now, is a somewhat easier way. If somebody can make it even
easier than that, go for it.
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birdlady
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response 96 of 112:
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Aug 17 14:22 UTC 1996 |
I think what Selena's getting at is that newuser describes Grex's policies
and/or rules of etiquette. At least it did when I registered...I don't know
if it has changed.
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mta
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response 97 of 112:
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Aug 17 15:12 UTC 1996 |
yeah, but does anyone actually *read* the stuff in newuser? It's a pretty
hefty chunk of information.
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ajax
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response 98 of 112:
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Aug 17 16:41 UTC 1996 |
The "login as newuser" method lists Grex's "Declaration of Principles"
and other information, while the "web newuser form" method doesn't.
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srw
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response 99 of 112:
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Aug 17 17:18 UTC 1996 |
There is no reason that people who come in via the web won't get exposed to
the same set of rules as those who use newuser. If the web-newuser doesn't
provide access to that information, it can be changed to do so.
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