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Grex > Coop8 > #73: Cyberspace Communications, Inc., Finances through 5/31/96 |  |
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srw
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response 75 of 106:
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Jun 16 19:15 UTC 1996 |
Right. Selena is not an example of someone who wants anonymous telnet.
No one who wants it has asked for it. If it were available they would come
anonymously out of cyberspace and use it, but they would probably not post
in the conferences about it.
Our granting of anonymous email has been exploited by a number of people.
One of the more creative ways to do this is to send e-mail spam to a usenet
gateway. Anyone who can write mail can post to usenet, as most people know.
I have described some nightmare scenarios privately. I am slightly concerned
about this. We have discussed ways to control this before.
Outgoing mail abuse has caused some problems for the staff from time to time.
The usual result is that the folks who administer the site that the
perpetrator originated from is contacted. Repercussions usually follow.
We seem to be able to deal with this level of cooperation with our
net-neighbors. But if we were to be the originating site of someone else's
trouble, because we permitted someone to telnet there and had essentially no
way of stopping this action, I don't think we could so gracefully exit.
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adbarr
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response 76 of 106:
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Jun 16 22:10 UTC 1996 |
I agree with srw. You have some moral duty to the rest of the net, in my
personal, subjective, individual, non preaching, opinion.
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tpryan
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response 77 of 106:
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Jun 16 23:06 UTC 1996 |
I can agree that a cash accounting systems keeps it simple.
Probably better for a volunteer org. And given the history of
M-net, you should probably *NOT* allow some accounting type talk
you into an accural system that can only be maintained by one.
This means GREX needs 18 annual memberships to be new or
renewed each month...or over 200 membership*months to be purchased
(new or renewal) each month to come near meeting a $1,000 operating
budget for the month. You would also have to maintain this level
of support before even talking about more phone lines or other
budget increasing items. However, the purchases that are one-time
(OS license, RAM, etc.) are things that *have* to be purchased to
(hopefuly) keep up the current level of support.
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adbarr
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response 78 of 106:
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Jun 16 23:21 UTC 1996 |
Hire this guy.
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jerryr
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response 79 of 106:
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Jun 17 00:57 UTC 1996 |
heh. you go, tim, you go!
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aruba
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response 80 of 106:
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Jun 17 01:18 UTC 1996 |
Our current expenses run under $500 a month.
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draven
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response 81 of 106:
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Jun 17 02:31 UTC 1996 |
That would be $6,000 per year, or ayear long average of 100 members.
According to the members command, Grex is currently at 97. Since the
last couple months have been lean, I assume most of these renewals come
in the fall, but don't actually have evidence to support that.
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tpryan
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response 82 of 106:
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Jun 17 04:00 UTC 1996 |
So May was an exceptional month at $1,000? Okay. YOu still
will need 100 membership-months to take care of expenses. Remember
while long term memberships bring in $5/month; Month-by-month
membership purchases do not guarentee any income for next month
(until that renewal check shows up).
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ajax
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response 83 of 106:
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Jun 17 04:39 UTC 1996 |
Yes, the breakdown in the initial item text (type "only 0" to reread it)
lists the regular recurring charges as about $500, with another $300 as
reimbursement for one-time purchases related to the Sun 4, so it was $800.
Membership donations didn't cover even the $500, they were only $300 in
May, so it is quite obvious that we lost money. Expenses and income do
fluctuate a fair amount per month though, so you really need to look at a
few months to get a feel for the financial situation.
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brighn
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response 84 of 106:
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Jun 17 06:10 UTC 1996 |
(Kerouac, Selena's real name is Selena Anne Barwens. Her plan lists
it as Selena Barwens-Kershaw. Since we're spiritually married, that
latter name is only a stretch. Where precisely has she failed to
give her real name? What she's unwilling to give is her address
and phone number. Get your facts straight, please.)
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tsty
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response 85 of 106:
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Jun 17 06:10 UTC 1996 |
with regard to the 'separation of topics' concept .. ummm, the
item aobut the treasurer's report may be more applicable for this drift.
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tsty
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response 86 of 106:
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Jun 17 07:11 UTC 1996 |
got slipped in/on, i guess.
aside from the drift about accounting, #67 presumed non-voting privileges.
having been mentioned, my sense of the compromise proposal is that the
anon member *would* have voting privileges.
and before someone gets too a-flutter, it would take lotsa bucks and
many anon memberships to "buy" a seat ont he borg .. but then, there
would be a connectin to the anon ballot box stuffer ...<g>
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aruba
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response 87 of 106:
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Jun 17 14:57 UTC 1996 |
I'm not worried about ballot-box stuffing nearly so much as this legal
requirement to maintain a list of members. (Rane, I assume that list must be
names and addresses, not just names?)
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rcurl
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response 88 of 106:
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Jun 17 19:58 UTC 1996 |
That is correct. The point is, the members are those with the legal power
over the management of the corporation, with the board delegated by the
members to carry out the day-to-day operation of the corp. This means that
the members must be known as legal entities, just as the board members
must (however it is not necessary that the identities of the members be
public information, and the law puts a strong shield against disclosure of
member identities, if the corporation wishes it).
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tsty
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response 89 of 106:
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Jun 17 23:44 UTC 1996 |
oh, well .. just a nice idea then, i guess.
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srw
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response 90 of 106:
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Jun 18 04:01 UTC 1996 |
As long as we maintain about 100 members, our annual budget will be met, but
we won't have the ability to improve things very much. If we drop members,
we'll have to find a way to reduce our expenses. I f we add members, we can
afford better things. We figure that we can probably afford a faster internet
link if we can add 25 members, reaching the 125 level.
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tsty
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response 91 of 106:
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Jun 18 05:03 UTC 1996 |
even if the anons couldn't participate in toto, they would assist
the system ..by year.. and *maybe* drop the shield in due time. wow.
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kerouac
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response 92 of 106:
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Jun 18 16:02 UTC 1996 |
Nether has anonymous telnet (and usenet) and has for some time, and the
world hasnt come to an end (or the 'net for that matter) I just think
there could be a little less paranoia...
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pfv
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response 93 of 106:
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Jun 18 16:23 UTC 1996 |
Paranoids Live Longer.
Healthy paranoia is good, it is a survival trait. And, while I despise
the emphasis on anonymity, please recall that:
1) nether is actually a PRIVATE board;
2) Jared is rather selective about who gets ID's (or was).
Carry on, forgive my kibitzing..
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kerouac
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response 94 of 106:
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Jun 18 16:54 UTC 1996 |
nether had newuser when I signed on,, just like mnet and grex
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rcurl
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response 95 of 106:
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Jun 18 17:42 UTC 1996 |
Well, that solves the problem. Everyone wanting anonymous telnet etc can
go to nether. Whew - I'm glad this controversy is resolved... 8^}
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ajax
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response 96 of 106:
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Jun 18 18:38 UTC 1996 |
<grin> Richard, Jared can shut off newuser, zap accounts, and/or deny
incoming telnets from certain IP addresses, effectively keeping trouble-
makers in check. Grex's current policies don't allow these measures.
(Well, staff *could* zap accounts, but without disabling newuser, it's
somewhat ineffective). I've heard nether's newuser is disabled more
often than not lately.
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robh
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response 97 of 106:
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Jun 18 18:50 UTC 1996 |
Last I'd heard, nether.net wasn't running open newuser.
Maybe Jared is as paranoid as we are, finally. >8)
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tsty
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response 98 of 106:
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Jun 18 19:52 UTC 1996 |
in chats w/jared, the biggest prob he has related is that dweebs
get on and gobble 20-30 megs of diskspace running bots and other
stuff like that. and they gobble that amount of space in very
short time spans. he wasn'tinto quotas at that time though.
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jerryr
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response 99 of 106:
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Jun 19 01:08 UTC 1996 |
jared's new user program is a sweet fella named rex
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