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srw
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response 75 of 103:
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Mar 4 05:40 UTC 1996 |
I wholeheartedly concur with that, Marcus.
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raven
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response 76 of 103:
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Mar 4 06:13 UTC 1996 |
Me too, hey we all agree something, alert the cyber presses! :-)
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rcurl
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response 77 of 103:
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Mar 4 06:25 UTC 1996 |
One should bring the web into this discussion. As far as access to
materials is concerned accessing Grex or accessing web pages is no
different, except that in one case one logs in, and there is a
possibility of determining age etc, while in the latter there is not.
I hadn't thought about it before, but if Grex goes to a web based
conferencing system, need there be any login, except adopting a name
when posting?
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srw
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response 78 of 103:
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Mar 4 07:37 UTC 1996 |
A web-based conferencing system must still authenticate its users, so that
person A doesn't post as person B. It will require that you log in using
ht authentication. No unix account is needed on machines that do not retain
compatibility with an existing picospan base (csuch as HVCN) but on Grex, a
unix account would be needed even if the user didn't log into it.
Sothe answer for all systems is "yes" there needs to be a login, but it is
on some systems, not to an account as we know it.
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rcurl
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response 79 of 103:
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Mar 4 17:04 UTC 1996 |
That's a good point (re imposters). Do you think a completely anonymous
conferencing system could work? Participants just respond to ideas, not
to names.
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adbarr
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response 80 of 103:
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Mar 5 03:59 UTC 1996 |
Can ideas communicate, or just conflict to be meaningful? Who would care?
There must be an impact for there to be a meaning?
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rcurl
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response 81 of 103:
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Mar 5 06:45 UTC 1996 |
But it is only the ideas that have impact, not the persons. (Except in
Republican Primaries, where there are no ideas, only impacted persons.)
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adbarr
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response 82 of 103:
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Mar 5 12:01 UTC 1996 |
Don't go medical on us, rcurl!
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rcurl
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response 83 of 103:
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Mar 6 07:21 UTC 1996 |
And, why not? You understood it.
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adbarr
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response 84 of 103:
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Mar 6 12:27 UTC 1996 |
But I did not want to!
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fade
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response 85 of 103:
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Mar 22 02:12 UTC 1996 |
damn, but there is alot of arguing in here about this censorship thang.
Carson: Are you still sending Geronimo Pratt muffins?
Ariana & other under-18 users: Don't tell me your age. I don't wanna know.
#20: I agree cda couldn't be used against myounger people from designing and
using their own "otherwise censorable" board.
Raven: I like (most) of what you have to say. You turn me on. What are you
wearing right now?
Oh yeah, and what do you mean by "security violations"?
My first comment (after my humourous and non-sensicle ones) is this:
The items brought up by CDA are many. I do not agree with a "wait &
see" mentality. I think it is best to be prepared. I would be willing to read
the complete CDA proposal and send a point by point issue addressing
suggestion list to whoever would like one. One of the problems with sweeping
laws like this is that people start doing exactly as those in here have been;
debating the whole ball of wax and trying to come up with ONE answer.
I am a radical. I do not believe in censorship of any kind. In answer
to item 26: I would be willing to step in and become a board member, etc. if
Grex decided to actively disobey any implementation of this as a law.
You know i just lied. i do believe in censorship of rafascist type
stuff, but that is my personal politic and not my "forum" politic. I might
consider the US govt to be fascistic, but i don't expect all of those who read
this to agree. In fact, I don't believe in the support of laws in general,
but since that's what Grex is up against, I don't expect individual board
mbrs, staff or users to go against their own code of ethics. Some people
actually believe a govt system works. (Even those who spew rhetoric, then say
things like "that's not what this country was founded on"... Since THIS - i'm
assuming US- govt was founded on the slaughter of the indigenous people of
North America and similar ly oppressive actions)
Next: It is absolutely true that we all must weigh the risks against
what we value to protect, either personally or universally and sometimes on
the rare occassions when they both mesh, both. It is not for me to judge where
individuals draw their lines or place value. I have my limits as everyone
else, if only from exhaustion and the sheer weight of EVERYTHING we are up
against. I'm not just talking CDA here. Hardline anarchist politic is just
as fascistic as fascism if we don't allow are allies to draw their own
conclusions and their own lines/boundaries.
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fade
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response 86 of 103:
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Mar 22 02:42 UTC 1996 |
so sorry. my response was soooo long. coupla ?? Where can i go for an online
chat about this? How do i access the Grex Board Mtgs and Raven what's your
#? jus kiddin on that last one, but if you wanted to tell me when/where you
hang out online... maybe i'd show up and flirt with you. But you'll have to
leave my gender to your imagination because i didn't fill that out on the grex
??aire :( ;/
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srw
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response 87 of 103:
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Mar 22 06:26 UTC 1996 |
Grex Booard Meetings are open to the public. The next one is Monday in the
cafeteria of ITI on Hubbard Road, just East of Green.
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scg
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response 88 of 103:
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Mar 22 07:13 UTC 1996 |
That's in Ann Arbor, BTW.
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raven
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response 89 of 103:
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Mar 23 01:46 UTC 1996 |
re # 85 By security violations I mean something like someone
posting everyones password in an itemor posting the root password etc. BTW
feel free to send me e-mail.
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selena
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response 90 of 103:
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Mar 23 04:49 UTC 1996 |
Well, the CDA is, in My NEVER humble opinion <hey, I know me>,
something that should simply be faught against.
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mdw
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response 91 of 103:
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Mar 23 17:11 UTC 1996 |
Most of the *really* interesting grex politics get plenty of discussion
here, as they should. To the extent possible, we're trying to have a
"member run system", not a "board run system". A subtle distinction, to
be sure.
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batfang
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response 92 of 103:
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Mar 23 22:52 UTC 1996 |
so how is it possible for non-MI rez to be involvled? Are we that limited or
can we have mtgs 'open to public" THRU grex? I too would invest my time and
brain power.
#90: things like the CDA are NEVER simple to fight against. In my humble
experience.
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srw
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response 93 of 103:
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Mar 24 01:28 UTC 1996 |
By telling us what you think on-line in this conference.
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remmers
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response 94 of 103:
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Mar 24 12:32 UTC 1996 |
Right. The coop conference is a 24-hours-a-day, 7-days-a-week
online meeting.
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selena
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response 95 of 103:
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Mar 24 17:00 UTC 1996 |
That no one ever seems to pay attention to.
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janc
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response 96 of 103:
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Mar 24 18:33 UTC 1996 |
I think that's unfair. The face-to-face meetings often refer to the online
discussion. For example, at the planning meeting Friday, some of kerouac's
postings on the subject were read aloud. Also, on controversial issues, you
can pretty much count on the face-to-face meetings ending with "we think this
needs more discussion in co-op". Feedback here really does strongly influence
decision making.
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kerouac
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response 97 of 103:
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Mar 24 21:55 UTC 1996 |
my postings were read aloud? oh geez, I'm not sure I want to know
the context of this....hopefully it wasnt to get a good laugh (I mean I know
I get a little carried away with my typing sometimes)
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janc
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response 98 of 103:
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Mar 24 22:00 UTC 1996 |
Nobody laughed. The things you thought we ought to do mostly fit pretty well
into the things we thought we should do. There was something about "upgrading
Picospan" we didn't quite understand.
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robh
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response 99 of 103:
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Mar 24 22:03 UTC 1996 |
And "upgrading newuser" as well.
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