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jp2
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response 75 of 203:
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Apr 24 03:26 UTC 2002 |
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oval
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response 76 of 203:
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Apr 24 05:09 UTC 2002 |
exactly.
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russ
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response 77 of 203:
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Apr 24 05:28 UTC 2002 |
Carrie, you obviously didn't understand your long, quoted piece in #68.
If you look closely at the logic of the claims, you'll see that the USA
is "racist" because it confers citizenship on people born here, is
restrictive in whom it allows to enter, and has a "right of return" for
children born elsewhere to parents who are citizens. There is also a
"conversion process" for becoming a naturalized citizen.
If you're looking for racism in the Middle East, you should take a
gander a little east and south. Saudi Arabia is SO racist, they won't
even allow non-Muslims to be BURIED there under most circumstances.
Funeral services for any other religion are right out.
If you're spending so much time picking on Israel when there are much
more worthy targets nearby (especially among Israel's enemies), you're
simply anti-Israel. Your "reasons" are mere excuses.
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mcnally
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response 78 of 203:
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Apr 24 06:49 UTC 2002 |
Is it possible that she's "spending so much time picking on Israel"
because this is a discussion *about Israel*? I won't presume to speak
for her but I kind of doubt she's got a lot of kind words for Saudi
Arabia, either..
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lk
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response 79 of 203:
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Apr 24 11:34 UTC 2002 |
Curiously, Mike, this is not an item about Israel but about anti-Semitism.
Curiously, as we also saw in Winter Agora Item 109, oval has difficulty in
distinguishing between Jews and Israel -- yet then claims that being
anti-Israel has nothing to do with being anti-Semitic.
Really, what type of hatred could propel one to post a lengthy diatribe
selectively critical of Jewish self-determination in the very item where
current anti-Semitic events are being chronicled and discussed?
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happyboy
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response 80 of 203:
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Apr 24 14:27 UTC 2002 |
you shouldn't TALK about hatred, mister palestinian hater, except
with your therapist.
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morwen
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response 81 of 203:
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Apr 24 15:57 UTC 2002 |
I think this whole war thing should be rather exclusively against
palestinian "extremists". There are a number of palestinians who
genuinely *do* want peace.
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gull
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response 82 of 203:
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Apr 24 16:25 UTC 2002 |
Re #77:
There's some major differences between U.S. and Israeli immigration policy.
We're talking about an immigration policy based on either (a) who your
ancestors decended from, or (b) what religion you are. It's as if the U.S.
decided to only allow people who were either white Europeans or Christians,
and no one else.
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lowclass
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response 83 of 203:
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Apr 24 19:26 UTC 2002 |
Re 81
I agree, there are palistinians who truly want peace. At which point.
they are branded collaborators. shot, and their dead bodies dragged through
the streets as an "object lesson."
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jp2
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response 84 of 203:
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Apr 24 19:28 UTC 2002 |
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flem
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response 85 of 203:
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Apr 24 19:31 UTC 2002 |
....and you know just the man?
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pthomas
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response 86 of 203:
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Apr 24 19:52 UTC 2002 |
82: Under that criterion, then, the immigration policies of most developed
nations (Germany, France, and Japan at the very least) are racist. Many
countries grant citizenship based on ancestry.
More double standards...
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oval
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response 87 of 203:
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Apr 24 19:52 UTC 2002 |
yupyup.
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jp2
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response 88 of 203:
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Apr 24 19:53 UTC 2002 |
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gull
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response 89 of 203:
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Apr 24 20:53 UTC 2002 |
Well, Japan *is* a highly racist country.
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lk
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response 90 of 203:
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Apr 24 21:11 UTC 2002 |
pthomas is exactly right. It is US immigration laws (since we didn't
have an "ancestry") that are divergent from most of the world. Not
Israel's, which is routinely singled out -- as I've already pointed out.
Most "old world" countries have di sangre nationality laws (like Israel's)
whereas we use di terra laws.
A 3rd generation Turk born in German is not a citizen. An Arab born in Egypt
to an Egyptian mother but foreign father is not Egyptian. But anti-Semites
can't be bothered with the misery this causes those people, they're more
concerned that Jews might be getting preferntial access to the Jewish state.
And excuse me, but it is anti-Semitism. I don't know what else could propel
someone to repeatedly make the same tired old "anti-Israel" accusations.
(Surely the "I was just ignorant" defense can't be employed again and again.
Many of these myths take hold precisely because people are willing to believe
bad things about Jews.)
One of the things that dawned on me while reading ABC's Nightline chat forum
was that anti-Semites are drawn to those who are anti-Israel and the
anti-Israel crowd (mostly Arabs) are drawn toward anti-Semites to the
point where they are nearly indistinguishable.
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mvpel
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response 91 of 203:
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Apr 24 21:45 UTC 2002 |
Re: 65 - has the Irish Republican Army ever attacked anything other than
political or military targets, does anyone know?
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mcnally
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response 92 of 203:
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Apr 25 01:33 UTC 2002 |
re #91: that probably depends on whether or not pubs and shopping centers
count as "political or military targets"
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happyboy
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response 93 of 203:
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Apr 25 01:52 UTC 2002 |
lol
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russ
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response 94 of 203:
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Apr 25 03:18 UTC 2002 |
Re #83: One of the requirements for peace in Palestine is the
establishment of the rule of law for Palestinians. Unless people
who want peace are safe (instead of being murdered for their views),
there cannot be peace.
Arafat's "laws" essentially prohibit peace. The law against
"collaboration" is a gross violation of human rights as well as
a roadblock to any kind of peaceful society.
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mvpel
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response 95 of 203:
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Apr 25 05:24 UTC 2002 |
Not to mention the indoctrination of grade-schoolers that "not one inch of
land can be liberated without blood, so keep on marching. Allah is great."
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lk
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response 96 of 203:
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Apr 25 06:05 UTC 2002 |
Let's try to keep that discussion in item 93 and the political discussion
in item 37 -- and reserve this one for anti-Semitism.
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slynne
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response 97 of 203:
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Apr 25 13:24 UTC 2002 |
Earlier I asked what should be done about anti-Semitism but either my
question or the response to it was lost. So? What is to be done about
worldwide anti-Semitism or even American anti-Semitism? Has it even
been defined? I think the ADL has recently tried to make a distinction
between anti-Israeli feelings and anti-Semitism which I think will
help.
What is to be done? How can you stop people from hating?
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gull
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response 98 of 203:
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Apr 25 13:57 UTC 2002 |
Re #90: I see. So if other people are doing it, that makes it right?
You could probably come up with a majority of countries that censor
their media, too, does that mean it's a good thing to do?
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happyboy
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response 99 of 203:
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Apr 25 14:42 UTC 2002 |
re97: start a *sticker chart* and give leeron a gold star
everytime he says nice things about the human beings that
sharon is oppressing.
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