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remmers
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response 75 of 143:
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Apr 11 19:35 UTC 2002 |
My home is of course the same as Mary's home. I'd gladly take public
transportation to work (the EMU campus in Ypsilanti) if it were efficient
to do so. But I'd have to take a bus to downtown Ann Arbor, then transfer
to a bus that goes to Ypsilanti. The trip would take on the order of an
hour. Instead, I do the 15-minute car trip.
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remmers
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response 76 of 143:
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Apr 11 19:36 UTC 2002 |
(#73 and #74 slipped in...)
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void
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response 77 of 143:
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Apr 11 22:22 UTC 2002 |
If lots more people used the buses, AATA would eventually go back to
running them every 15 minutes. Getting the ridership up that high again
would be quite an effort, though.
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keesan
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response 78 of 143:
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Apr 12 01:07 UTC 2002 |
When I lived in Macedonia people complained that the buses only ran every 15
minutes, instead of every 5 as in richer countries. It was always a struggle
to jam yourself in and then escape at your proper stop. Sometimes I had to
wait for the next one. During a period of economic problems the city could
not afford repair parts and suddenly people discovered it was faster (on nice
level straight paved streets that were never icy) to bike into town. The
Prague subway goes every 5 minutes or so and there is a clock and announcement
about when the next one is due. About 5-10 minutes gets you cross-town, which
would be perhaps a 30-minute drive with American-style traffic. It was a gift
from their Soviet friends. The subway fare was very highly subsidized and
nobody in their right mind drove in town. When did ATA last have enough
riders so that the average bus was carrying more than 10 passengers?
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jep
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response 79 of 143:
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Apr 12 02:10 UTC 2002 |
There is no public transportation from Tecumseh to Ann Arbor, and never
will be since there is no direct route between those two cities. I
have to live near where I do to be near my son, and I make about 3
times as much by working in Ann Arbor as I could doing anything
available to me in the area where I live. Thus am I spared from the PC
wrath of Sindi. (-:
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keesan
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response 80 of 143:
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Apr 12 02:55 UTC 2002 |
There is also no public transportation between Ann Arbor and Toledo (unless
you count the bus to Detroit and from Detroit, 4 hours total). There used
to be interurban trains to just about every town on the map, including
Whitmore Lake (where Toledo people went for vacation). They ran every half
hour or so.
If you and Andrea both end up working in Ann Arbor, I hope that you
can both live closer to where you work. You are definitely in a situation
not of your own choosing so no wrath. We recently met someone who lives in
Ann Arbor and could only find work (engineering) in Tecumseh designing power
mower engines.
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cmcgee
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response 81 of 143:
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Apr 12 11:55 UTC 2002 |
Way back there: Glencoe Hills in in the township. We have 24/7 public
transit in Ann Arbor, so it doesn't matter what time the line buses stop
running, you can always use the Night Ride.
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glenda
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response 82 of 143:
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Apr 12 21:48 UTC 2002 |
Night Ride turns off at Carpenter/23, doesn't (or didn't at the time) get to
Glencoe without extra cost. I had already paid my fare for a published route
to get me ALL the way home, why should I have to pay again at a higher rate?
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keesan
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response 83 of 143:
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Apr 12 21:55 UTC 2002 |
WOuld the Night Ride work for coming home from a contra dance at the
Pittsfield Grange and if so, what is the longest someone would have to call
in advance. There is no safe place to wait after the dance ends.
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cmcgee
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response 84 of 143:
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Apr 15 00:47 UTC 2002 |
re 82, yes, that's what I'm saying: if you live in the township, you don't
get that kind of service. The township doesn't pay for 24/7 service.
re 83, no, the Grange is in Pittsfield Township. Only within the City of Ann
Arbor, not the postal codes of Ann Arbor, not Ann Arbor Township or any other
township or city in the county.
People chose to live outside of Ann Arbor because it is cheaper. Part of what
makes it cheaper is lower taxes. With lower taxes you get fewer public
services. Like little or no bus service.
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gelinas
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response 85 of 143:
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Apr 15 01:48 UTC 2002 |
We've come a long way from checkbook covers, but . . .
Not quite, cmcgee; I chose to live in a township because I couldn't find a
house I could afford in the city. So I guess you're right: I chose a township
because it's "cheaper". However, I do understand the tradeoffs. Lower taxes,
no street lights. Lower taxes, no bus service (except that the Chelsea
Express stops at the end of my street, when it runs, which, of course, isn't
very often). There a probably a few others I don't remember. Oh. Yeah: I
have to arrange my own trash pickup, and it's not as extensive as inside the
city: textiles don't get recycled, for instance.
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glenda
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response 86 of 143:
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Apr 15 02:11 UTC 2002 |
re 84, and what I am saying is that is there is a published route, that route
should be followed. When I paid my fare I expected to be able to get all the
way home, which was before the end of the published route. Many times I did
not.
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jep
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response 87 of 143:
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Apr 15 12:01 UTC 2002 |
I don't mind that the subject has meandered. Checkbook covers is only
so exciting and discussion-worthy. Maybe I should change the subject,
if that can be done in Backtalk.
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jep
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response 88 of 143:
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Apr 15 12:01 UTC 2002 |
Heh. Yes, it is, and I have done so.
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keesan
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response 89 of 143:
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Apr 15 12:37 UTC 2002 |
I don't think textiles are actually recycled. The Reuse Center (or PTA Thrift
Shop) resell what is still wearable and trash the rest.
I cannot understand why all of the contra-dance groups persist in holding
dances where they are inaccessible without cars. I suppose I could walk one
mile in the dark on a road without sidewalks to get there from the nearest
bus stop, but then the buses also stop running at night and it would be no
fun to wait at that same bus stop for up to an hour at midnight.
You can do your own textile recycling by donating wearable clothing and shoes
to a local thrift shop.
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slynne
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response 90 of 143:
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Apr 15 13:32 UTC 2002 |
I thought there was an industrial use for recycled textiles. I cant
remember exactly what it was but I remember being surprised about it
when someone told me. Maybe they were misinformed. *shrug*
RE: busses. I sure wish Ypsilanti would pay for 24/7 bus service but I
can understand why they cant afford it. They come pretty close though.
i think the last #4 bus gets into town quite late.
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keesan
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response 91 of 143:
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Apr 15 13:47 UTC 2002 |
We talked to someone at the Recycling plant. I am not certain about clothing
but I know that they resell the shoes in good condition and dump the rest.
You can phone and ask and let the rest of us know.
EMU has night classes that end after the last bus from Ypsi to Ann Arbor.
I think WCC also does.
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slynne
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response 92 of 143:
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Apr 15 14:22 UTC 2002 |
I think the last #4 bus leaves Ypsi around 9:30. Most EMU classes are
done by then. I think that if someone needed to leave class at 9:20 to
make the 9:30 bus, they could make an arrangement to do that.
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gull
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response 93 of 143:
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Apr 15 20:06 UTC 2002 |
I think textiles can be shredded and the fluff used to make some things,
but I'm not sure.
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tpryan
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response 94 of 143:
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Apr 15 20:34 UTC 2002 |
I think textiles can be shredded and used in the paper industry for
various grades of paper and such.
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void
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response 95 of 143:
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Apr 15 20:53 UTC 2002 |
Old and rejected denim goes for making paper currency. Levi Strauss
sends a lot of reject jeans to the Treasury Department every year.
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keesan
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response 96 of 143:
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Apr 15 21:20 UTC 2002 |
I doubt that the synthetic fibers are much good for paper making.
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mdw
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response 97 of 143:
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Apr 16 01:08 UTC 2002 |
The contra-dance people are probably looking for places that are (a)
cheap enough, (b) have the space, and (c) don't mind contra-dancers.
(a)+(b) is difficult enough, but if contra-dancers like the occasional
beer in a brown paper bag, it may be nearly impossible.
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gelinas
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response 98 of 143:
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Apr 16 02:39 UTC 2002 |
Natural fibers can be unwoven and rewoven into new cloth. Draper's used
to do this, back in the '60s. Maybe they've gone out of business?
Synthetics can probably be reduced to their component molecules and
redone from scratch, but I don't know that anyone has actually done so.
(Thermoplastics that fail the molding process are reground and run
through again.)
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mcnally
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response 99 of 143:
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Apr 16 10:08 UTC 2002 |
As far as the contra dancing goes, I would imagine that if Sindi were
as interested in actually attending as she seems to be in analyzing the
deficiencies of the group's venue choice she could almost certainly
ask a member of the group to share a ride with her..
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