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abc
response 75 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 00:07 UTC 2002

Re: #73 re: #72 I'm guessing it has something to do with her being in the
department of chemistry.  Acids, bases, everything else that somehow is
suppose to drop on the lab coat but ends up elsewhere, only to be found when
the spot surfaces during a load of laundry.  But that's just a guess.
jmsaul
response 76 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 00:36 UTC 2002

Yeah.  When it gets wet, it eats holes in the fabric.
bhelliom
response 77 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 13:39 UTC 2002

Actually that is perfectly understandable.  My brain's just tired, I 
guess.
lynne
response 78 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 20:23 UTC 2002

What everyone else said.
Actually, organic solvents are supposed to dissolve some of the nasty
synthetic type fabrics.  Somehow, I've never worn anything like that to lab :)
abravo
response 79 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 01:43 UTC 2002

Re #68: well, I live  downtown, in the Bislett/St Hanshaugen district, just
five minutes by foot from Karl Johan/Aker Brygge.I know where is Hovik,
between Stabekk and Sandvika. So has your brother been in Oslo or Norway long
time ?
rcurl
response 80 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 02:22 UTC 2002

Re # 76: usually it is the other way around - when the drop of dilute
acid or base dries, it becomes more concentrated, and that attacks the
fabric. Of course, if you start with concentrated acid or base, it
doesn't matter. Concentrated acid turns nylon to glop. Well known
hazard for rock climbing ropes left in car trunks along with car
batteries.....people have died as a result.
scott
response 81 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 02:25 UTC 2002

Re 79:  My brother moved to Norway about 9 years ago.  I've been there a few
times visiting (and walked up Karl Johansgate a few times, of course).
jmsaul
response 82 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 06:47 UTC 2002

Re #80:  Guess I'm misremembering, then.  Or am I confusing it with bleach?
mcnally
response 83 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 07:45 UTC 2002

I'm entering this response from a kiosk in the DNA Lounge, a dance club
in San Francisco that's currently throwing the Mozilla 1.0 launch party..
mynxcat
response 84 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 09:33 UTC 2002

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bhelliom
response 85 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 13:25 UTC 2002

Why did your bro move to Norway, Scott?  If you want something 
delivered to him around this time next year, let me know.  I'll be 
Norway for a wedding and would at least be able to send it local 
instead of international!
lynne
response 86 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 21:05 UTC 2002

Actually, as I understand it, it *is* the dilution of acid that eats holes.
Has to do with carbohydrate cleavage, at least in some cases--you need 
water around to act as a nucleophile; H3O+ doesn't quite cut it.  I'm happy
to believe in cases where dropping concentrated acid on clothes eats holes
directly as well, though.
scott
response 87 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 22:44 UTC 2002

Re 85:

My brother met a lovely Norwegian woman in college...  :)

What wedding are you attending in Norway?  I'm somewhat suprised that Norway
has suddenly gotten a both a Grexer and also a wedding for you to attend.
bhelliom
response 88 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 13:07 UTC 2002

A friend of mine that I met while on foreign study in China, who was on 
foreign from UC Boulder, is getting married to a Norwegian.  Ole Grun 
is his name, and he's a great guy.  Chiaren's father is flying 6 or 7 
or her choice guests to Norway as a wedding present, and I'm one of the 
folks who will be lucky enough not to have to pay for their own 
flight.  I was invited and planned to attend anyway, but this way my 
wallet will be happier for it.  They're having a Norwegian style 
wedding, small and with a select group of quests.  The reception will 
be in the States, so that her family will be able to attend . . . 
incidentally, this is why she decided she wanted the wedding in Ole's 
country instead of hers.
aruba
response 89 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 14:09 UTC 2002

Hey, that sounds like a fun wedding, "small with a select group of quests".
Kind of like a scavenger hunt?  :)
scott
response 90 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 14:49 UTC 2002

Very cool.  I got to attend my brother's wedding, and it was also my first
trip overseas.  Quite the experience, and not in a bad way either.  :)
bhelliom
response 91 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 16:43 UTC 2002

If we are unfortunate enough to have a scavenger hunt, us Yanks will 
lose for sure.  :)

Actually, the reason for the location is a little simpler than that.  
This way, both families can take part somehow.  Wedding in Europe, 
reception in the States.  That way, no one's quite left out.

I don't know precisely why there's only about 40 people that will 
attend.  They are doing the whole thing according to Norwegian 
tradition, but I don't know if the size of the guest list has anything 
to do with that.

Should I expect something majorly different in the wedding style?  Not 
that it will disconcert me any, I'm just curious.
jmsaul
response 92 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 18:29 UTC 2002

Lutefisk.  And when it happns, just say no.
tpryan
response 93 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 12:21 UTC 2002

        Is that a food or a musical instrument?
abravo
response 94 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 21:12 UTC 2002

This unusally long post about Norway & lutefisk: 
   I couldn't imagine that my #67 post about my location will bring
questions about some aspects of the norwegian culture, and about, god!,
LUTEFISK...

RE: #93 lutefisk is a food. Etym= washed fish.So easy.
        The reason: dryed fish is one of the easiest way to preserve
fish , but you end with something that is hard as wood and  just good to
chew along with some beer or some spirit. ( spend time in a pub in
north Norway,  in Lofoten or Tromso...). So to make a meal with dryed
fisk you need to rehydrate and tenderize the thing.Thus you just bath it
with caustic  soda.And you get a kind of jelly...flop-flop...The guy who
had the idea is a genius...;-)

Well, here follow to texts.Just the second is important: THE RECIPE,
taken from a norwegian cookbook.
                        ---------------------------
(NB1: I'm not norwegian myself, but I'm acquainted to Norway.At one
moment  in my life I was fisk factory worker in the Lofoten/Bodo/Narvik
area, and  learnt , among other things, the lute'ing process.)

(NB2: the summum in norwegian food is certainly: GRAVFISK)
 
################ FIRST TEXT ###################################

From: clays@panix.com (Clay Shirky)
  Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
  Subject: Ode to Lutefisk (Long)
  Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 09:11:19 -0500


  It is my wont when travelling to forgo the touristic in favor of the
real, to pesuade my kind hosts, whoever they may be, that an evening in
the local, imbibing pints of whatever the natives use as intoxicants,
would be more interesting than another
  espresso in another place called Cafe Opera. Chiefest among my
interests is the Favorite Dish: the plate, cup, or bowl of whatever
stuff my hosts consider most representative of the regions virtues. As I
just finished a week's work in Oslo, this dish
  was of course lutefisk. 

  (snd f/x: organ music in minor key - cresc. and out.) 


  The Norwegians are remarkably single-minded in their attachment to the
stuff. Every one of them would launch themselves into a hydrophobic
frenzy of praise on the mere mention of the word. Though these
panegyrics were as varied as they were fulsome,
  they shared one element in common. Every testimonial to the recondite
deliciousness of cod soaked in lye ended with the phrase "...but I only
eat it once a year." 

  When I pressed my hosts as to _why_ they would voluntarily forswear
what was by all accounts the tastiest fish dish since pussy 364 days a
year, each of them said "Oh, you can't eat lutefisk more than once a
year." (Their unanmity on this particular
  point carried with it the same finality as the answers you get when
casually asking a Scientologist about L. Ron's untimely demise.) 


  Despite my misgivings from these interlocutions however, there was
nothing for it but to actually try the stuff, as it was clearly the
local delicacy. A plan was hatched whereby my hosts and I would distill
ourselves to a nearby brasserie, and I would
  order something tame like reindeer steak, and they would order
lutefisk. The portions at this particular establishment were large, they
assured me, and when I discovered for myself how scrumptious jellied
fish tasted, I could have an adequate amount
  from each of their plates to satiate my taste for this new-found treat. 

  Ah, but the best laid plans... My hostess, clearly feeling in a
holiday mood (and perhaps further cheered by my immanent departure as
their house guest) proceeded to order lutefisks all round. 


  "But I was going to order reinde..." 

  "Nonononono," she said, "you must have your own lutefisk. It would be
rude to bring you to Norway and not give you your own lutefisk." 


  My mumbled suggestion that I had never been one to stand on formality
went unnoticed, and moments later, somewhere in the kitchen, there was a
lutefisk with my name on it. 

  The waitress, having conveyed this order to the chef, returned with a
bottle and three shot glasses and spent some time interogating my host.
He laughed as she left, and I asked what she said. 


  "Oh she said 'Is the American _really_ going to eat lutefisk?' and
when I told her you were, she said that it takes some time to get used
to it." 

  "How long?" I asked. 


  "Well, she said a couple of years." replied my host. 

  In the meantime, my hostess was busily decanting a clear liquid into
the shot glass and passing it my way. When I learned that it was
aquavit, I demurred, as I intended to get some writing done on the train. 


  "Oh no," said my hostess, donning the smile polite people use when
giving an order, "you _must_ have aquavit with lutefisk." 

  To understand the relationship between aquavit and lutefisk, here's an
experiment you can do at home. In addition to aquavit, you will need a
slice of lemon, a cracker, a dishtowel, ketchup, a piece of lettuce,
some caviar, and a Kit-Kat candy bar. 


 1. Take a shot aquavit. 

 2. Take two. (They're small.) 

 3. Put a bit of caviar on a bit of lettuce. 

 4. Put the lettuce on a cracker. 

 5. Squeeze some lemon juice on the caviar. 

 6. Pour some ketchup on the Kit-Kat bar. 

 7. Tie the dishtowel around your eyes.

  If you can taste the difference between caviar on a cracker and
ketchup on a Kit-Kat while blindfolded, you have not had enough aquavit
to be ready for lutefisk. Return to step one. 


  The first real sign of trouble was when a plate arrived and was set in
front of my host, sitting to my left. It contained a collection of dark
and aromatic food stuffs of a variety of textures. Having steeled myself
for an encounter with a pale jelly,
  I was puzzled at its appearance, and I leaned over to get a better look. 

  "Oh," said my host, "that's not lutefisk. I changed my mind and
ordered the juletid plate. Its is pork and sausages." 


  "But you're leaving for New York tomorrow, so tonight is your last
chance to have lutefisk this year" I pointed out. 

  "Oh well," he said, tucking into what looked like a very tasty pork chop. 


  Shortly thereafter the two remaining plates arrived, each containing
the lutefisk itself, boiled potatoes, and a mash of peas from which all
the color had been expertly tortured. There was also a garnish of a
slice of cucumber, a wedge of lemon, and a
  sliver of red pepper. 

  "This is bullshit!" said my hostess, snatching the garnish off her plate. 


  "What's wrong," I asked, "not enough lemon?" 

  "No, a plate of lutefisk should be totally gray!" 


  Indeed, with the removal of the garnish, it was totally gray, and
waiting for me to dig in. There being no time like the present, I tore a
forkful away from the cod carcass and lifted it to my mouth. 

  "Wait," said my host, "you can't eat it like that!" 


  "OK," I said, "how should I eat it?" 

  "Mash up your potatoes, and then mix a bit of lutefisk in, and then
add some bacon." he said, handing me a tureen filled to the brim with
bacon bits floating in fat. 


  I began to strain some of the bits out of the tureen. "No, not like
that, like this" he said, snatching up the tureen and pouring three
fingers of pure bacon grease directly over the beige mush I had made
from the potatoes and lutefisk already on my
  plate. 

  "Now can I eat it?" 


  "No, not yet, you have to mix in the mustard." 

  "And the pepper" added my hostess, "you have to have lutefisk with
lots and lots of pepper. And then you have to eat it right away, because
if it gets cold its horrible." 


  They proceeded to add pepper and mustard in amounts I felt were more
apporpriate to ingredients rather than flavors, but no matter. At this
point what I had was an undercooked hash brown with mustard on it,
flavored with a little bit of lutefisk. "How
  bad could it be?" I thought to myself as I lifted my fork to my mouth. 

  The moment every traveller lives for is the native dinner where,
throwing caution to the wind and plunging into a local delicacy which
ought by rights to be disgusting, one discovers that it is not only
delicious but that it also contradicts a
  previously held prejudice about food, that it expands ones culinary
horizons to include surprising new smells, tastes, and textures. 


  Lutefisk is not such a dish. 

  Lutefisk is instead pretty much what you'd expect of jellied cod; it
is a foul and odiferous goo, whose gelatinous texture and rancid oily
taste are locked in spirited competition to see which can be the more
responsible for rendering the whole
  completely inedble. 


  How to describe that first bite? Its a bit like describing passing a
kidneystone to the uninitiated. If you are talking to someone else who
has lived through the experience, a nod will suffice to acknowledge your
shared pain, but to explain it to the
  person who has not been there, mere words seem inadequate to the task.
So it is with lutefisk. One could bandy about the time honored phrases
like "nauseating sordid gunk", "unimaginably horrific", "lasting
psychological damage", but these seem hollow
  when applied to the task at hand. I will have to resort to a recipe
for a kind of metaphorical lutefisk, to describe the experience. Take
marshmallows made without sugar, blend them together with overcooked
Japanese noodles, and then bathe the whole
  liberally in acetone. Let it marinate in cod liver oil for several
days at room temprature. When it has achieved the appropriate
consistency (though the word "appropriate" is somewhat problematic
here), heat it to just above lukewarm, sprinkle in
  thousands of tiny, sharp, invisible fish bones, and serve. 

  The waitress, returning to clear our plates, surveyed the half-eaten
goo I had left. 


  She nodded conspiritorially at me, said something to my host, and left. 

  "What'd she say?, I asked. 


  "Oh, she said 'I never eat lutefisk either. It tastes like python.'" 

  Clay "I think my mistake was in using the dishtowel: you need to drink
enough aquavit so you can't tell the difference between caviar on a
cracker and ketchup on a Kit-Kat with your eyes open" Shirky 




                                                                       
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           #############  THE RECIPE ################
                                                                       
                         

                    Lutefisk from scratch


  feeds 10 people
  time needed: about 2 weeks



  Ingredients:
  1 kg dried fish
  100 g caustic soda
  30 liters of water


  Saw the fish in suitably sized pieces or leave it whole. Put in water.
Leave in water in a cool 

place for 5-6 days if cut in pieces, 8 days if the fish is whole. Change
the water every day. 



  For the luting use a plastic or stainless steel or enamelled tub (the
enamel must be 

unchipped). Wooden vessels, china or stoneware may also be used. 


  Place the fish in the tub with the skin side up. Dissolve caustic soda
in the water, pour over 

the fish until covered complete by lut water. Leave the fish in a cold
place for 3-4 days. 



  When the fish is completely luted, it will be well swollen and you
should be able to put a 

finger through it. Rinse the fish and leave in cold water 4-6 days.
Change water every day. 


  If the fish stays in water for too long after the luting, it may be
soft and difficult to boil. 

Test boil a piece, if you are uncertain. 



  Do not make lutefisk in the warm season. 


  1 kg dry fish makes about 5 kg lutefisk.



  (Cappelens Kokebok, Ed.: Aase Stromstad, Oslo 1968)
  "Expecting Lutefisk" http://bob.nbr.no

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Bon appetit !

 
oval
response 95 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 21:43 UTC 2002

that was an absolutely delightful read.

mdw
response 96 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 00:32 UTC 2002

Wouldn't the oil from the cod fish and the lye combine to make soap?
other
response 97 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 05:42 UTC 2002

That's why you have to change the water every day.  Besides, there's 
nothing indicated which would cause those two separate layers to 
emulsify.
pex
response 98 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 10:43 UTC 2002

Im in my room in Holland faching a big ass monitor with behind it a window
- i see some trees and a clear blue sky. I hear our neighbour cleaning  her
teeth with an electric toothbrush...at least I hope she is doing that, or is
the hirring sound something else? :| lets hope not ...*unpleasant picture in
head now* hirring=whirring btw. I am facing south-east. If I turn my head to
the left I can see my table with some papers on it and if I turn my head to
the right I can see a wall, which isnt very interesting in itself wasnt it
for the fact that this wall has been there for at least 200 years for I live
in a very old house. *walks over to the wall and pets it* - if I turn my head
completely around im looking backwards and can feast my eyes upon my
bassguitar collection. Now I turn my head back again because it was pretty
uncomfortable sitting with your head backward for a long time.
remmers
response 99 of 109: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 13:22 UTC 2002

I don't remember if I already responsed to this item and am too
lazy to look it up.  Anyway...

As usual when doing Grex, I'm sitting in my 2nd floor study at
my l-shaped desk, staring at the monitor.  If I look 45 degrees
to my left, I can see the flowering plum tree just outside the
window, and various evergreens behind that.  If I look to the
right, I see the chaotic jumble of stuff on my desk that is
badly in need of organizing.
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