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anderyn
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response 75 of 98:
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Jun 24 02:00 UTC 1998 |
Why do you say that? I'm curious, now!
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orinoco
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response 76 of 98:
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Jun 24 15:08 UTC 1998 |
Hmm...
I guess it depends on what you mean by 'progressive rock'. By the definition
I seem to remember posting a while back, something about 'trying to do
something artistic and original with rock music', I guess some of her music
would qualify.
But now I'm rethinking that definition. I mean, does that make the White
Album, or even Pet Sounds, examples of prog rock? Jimi Hendrix? Miles Davis?
Elvis?
"Hmm" indeed....
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mziemba
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response 77 of 98:
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Jul 3 12:24 UTC 1998 |
"Generally, 'progressive' denotes a form of rock music in which electric
instruments and rock-band formats are integrated with European classical
motifs and orchestrations, typically forming extended, intricate,
multisectional suites....accenting a daunting instrumental virtuosity and
grandiosity over directness....sometimes also known as 'art rock'."
-- _The Rolling Stone Ency. of Rock and Roll_ (1983)
ed. John Pareles and Patricia Romanowski
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cloud
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response 78 of 98:
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Dec 27 04:13 UTC 1998 |
Hey folks, I just got ahold of a new album by a group called _Gentle Giant_,
who, as I understand it, were in many ways the quintesence of 70's Prog. The
album of which I am now a proud possessor is "Octopus" perhaps named so
because it contains but eight tracks? I've only had the chance to listen to
it once, so I haven't fully formulated my oppion on them yet. I bought it
on the recomendations of the good folks at the GEPR, which I mentioned
earlier. What I can tell you of them; they use extreemly complex harmonies,
many of which sound impossible to do out of a studio (although, as I
understand it, they did do it live), a variaty if instuments, including a
Moog, what ever that is, and any number of Midiaeval instruments. In fact,
that seems to be their main bent; towards fusing Rock and Midiaeval music.
Some of their songs are positively odd, like their first song, "The Advent
of Panurge"--can anybody tell me what they are reffering to?. They remind
me, as most good prog I've heard does, of most other 70's prog bands I've
heard, most notably Early King Crimson and Genesis.
Speaking of Genesis, I'm ashamed to note that I failed to mention that
I've got two of their early albums also; _Selling England By the Pound_, and
_The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_, both released in the early seventies. They
really only became mainstream after Peter Gabriel left them and Phil Collins
took the lead. That stuff isn't bad, but the earlier albums are terrific,
and yes folks, _very_ progressive (would that mean that the turn towards
commersiallism makes them Regressive?). _Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ is a
fine example of their earlier work; it is a double album, with a full story
upon which the music is based in the liner notes. In short, a concept album,
which is very prog indeed.
Y'know, one of my friends, while getting a ride (and thus a dose of my music)
in my car asked me if I listened to any normal music at all. It was a
strange, yet proud feeling to realize that the answer to his question was
"no."
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cyklone
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response 79 of 98:
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Dec 27 05:39 UTC 1998 |
Gentle Giant! I used to listen to them many years ago. Try to get a copy
of "Free Hand." They do weird vocal tricks like trying to sing falsetto as
low as possible. BTW, the Moog was one of the first commercially available
synthesizers used by rock keyboardists.
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cloud
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response 80 of 98:
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Dec 27 17:06 UTC 1998 |
Thanks. I'll look for that. I've also been looking for a copy of "In a Glass
House," which is apparently out of print. I know one place where I can get
a used vinal for $25, but I think I'll just wait for Polygram's re-release
in 1999 (not to far away now).
Somebody asked a while back about new prog. bands. I actually know of one,
a group called "Porcupine Tree," which is mostly led be Steve Wilson, an
English chap. I've got two of their albums, and they are very good. What
do they sound like? Well, I've heard critic-like folks call them the new
torch-holders for Pink Floyd, but I think that might be a little mis-leading,
as their albums are mostly instrumental, with the occational vocal. They are
heavelly electronic, and are the kind of thing you might expect to hear on
"Hearts in Space," if it weren't for the fact that they have a very rock edge.
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lumen
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response 81 of 98:
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Dec 28 14:18 UTC 1998 |
Oooh. A likely candidate for the "Hearts in Space" show? Sounds like I
should check 'em out.
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cloud
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response 82 of 98:
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Dec 29 01:12 UTC 1998 |
You'll probably have to special order or something of that nature if you want
it... They're (yet another) obscure English band.
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orinoco
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response 83 of 98:
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Dec 29 05:18 UTC 1998 |
Re 'panurge': (or, the Greek Geek sounds off)
Okay, I know some early Christian 'heretics' said the world had been created,
not by God, but by a false creator named 'demiurge'. The 'urge' in that name
comes from the Greek 'ourgos', which I seem to remember means 'creator'.
("Demiourgos" is Grek means 'craftsman', I know that much for sure)
So, I'm guessing that 'panurge' means 'creator-of=-everything'.
And meanwhile, it sounds like I need to hear these guys.
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cloud
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response 84 of 98:
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Dec 29 16:42 UTC 1998 |
Yah, I'll make you a tape or something. Could you come up with anything for
"Pantagruel"? He's the other charector in that song. As I understand it,
they are both giants... probably refering back to the bands name?
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mcnally
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response 85 of 98:
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Dec 30 07:30 UTC 1998 |
cf. "Gargantua and Pantagruel" (Rabelais)
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krj
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response 86 of 98:
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Dec 31 01:10 UTC 1998 |
Gentle Giant's FREE HAND was a favorite LP of mine back when I had
some inclinations towards "progressive rock," 25 years ago or so.
Hmm, I wonder where that LP is.
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orinoco
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response 87 of 98:
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Dec 31 04:32 UTC 1998 |
The Readers' Encyclopedia sez:
Pantagruel: ...The name, meaning "all-thirsty," had originally been given to
a little sea devil in the 15th-century mystery plays who threw salt into the
mouths of drunks to stimulate their thirst...
Panurge (Gr. "all-doer"). In Rabelais' _Gargantua and Pantagruel_, the
high-spirited rogue who becomes Pantagruel's companion.
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cloud
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response 88 of 98:
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Dec 31 17:08 UTC 1998 |
Yup that's definately what they are refering to, Dan, thank you.
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orinoco
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response 89 of 98:
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Jan 2 04:32 UTC 1999 |
That's some literate lyrics you've got there, boy :) I'l definitely need to
give 'em a listen sometime.
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cloud
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response 90 of 98:
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Jan 5 16:11 UTC 1999 |
Well, my good chap, I'll be able to get you a tape of the album soon. As for
the lyrics, I suggest that you look 'em up at www.blazemonger.com/GG/, the
official web site. The lyrics of "Knots" are particularly interesting.
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mziemba
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response 91 of 98:
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Jan 9 13:41 UTC 1999 |
You guys are really breaking a sweat over here on this conference! Bravo!
Who was in Gentle Giant, btw? I would assume some of those folks moved on
to other things.
Thanks for all the definitions, Dan!
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krj
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response 92 of 98:
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Jan 9 18:45 UTC 1999 |
Derek (mumble mumble) from Gentle Giant moved on to become a record
industry executive. Can't remember the guy's last name.
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cloud
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response 93 of 98:
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Jan 10 04:06 UTC 1999 |
Shulman. His brother, Ray was also in the band, and another brother Phil,
was for a while before a big break-up. Before that they were members of a
pop/r&b band called "Simon Dupree and the Big Sound".
Other band members of note; Gary Green, guitrars (any instrumentals I list
are only one of many... These guys were multi-talented), Kerry Minear, a
classically trained composer; did keyboards and vocals (he split the vocals
with Derick), and John Weathers, drums. This was the classic lineup,
(Shulman, Shulman, Green, Minear, and Weathers) and the best, 'though they
did have a couple other drummers before Weathers.
In other prog-related news, Fish is planning a tour in the USA this summer,
durring August and September. I fully inteand to go to at least one show.
His newest album, _Raingods With Zippos_ will be realeased in the the USA on
april 20. Both Fish and GG have excelent websites (The official GG one is
maintained by a big fan) and I highly recomend them. They are packed with
all sorts of interesting information.
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cloud
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response 94 of 98:
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May 31 22:56 UTC 1999 |
update:
Fish comes to Pontiac, MI, on July 28, and his newest album is well worth
listening to, if only for "Plague of Ghosts", a six-part suite which takes
up the whole second half of the album.
I also just got done reading a book on prog. rock, called "Rocking the
Classics, English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture", by Edward Macan.
It's the most comprehensive history, definition, etc, of the subject I've come
accross. The section in which he systematically dismantles most of the major
critics complaints about the genre is particularly interesting.
Question, besides Ozrics Tenticals, which was mentioned some time back, does
anybody know of any contemporary prog. bands. I know of a few: Spock's Beard,
Djam Karat, Hermetic Science, and Edhals, from France. Of these, bands, I've
only heard anything by Hermetic Science, which is interesting because it
features a mallet artist.
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orinoco
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response 95 of 98:
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Jun 3 22:18 UTC 1999 |
WHAT?! You got Raingods w/Zippos and didn't tell me?!
I'm shocked. Shocked and appalled. <grin> You'll need to play it for me
sometime.
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cloud
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response 96 of 98:
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Jun 4 01:04 UTC 1999 |
Sorry, Dan. Further update: Fish's North America has been canceled, or at
least postponed.
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orinoco
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response 97 of 98:
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Jun 6 22:34 UTC 1999 |
What?!
(Hey Josh, you think our roadtrip fund could get us to Scotland?... :)
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krj
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response 98 of 98:
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Jun 18 22:34 UTC 1999 |
I went looking for reviews of the Edward Macan book (resp:94) on the
web and it looks interesting. I'll have to go see if I can browse
a copy at Borders to see if I want to pursue it further.
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