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Grex > Coop7 > #108: Possible Modifications to "mail" Default Behavior | |
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anne
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response 75 of 95:
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Oct 19 13:44 UTC 1995 |
The other day I thought I saw someone that had the login help...
Won't that confuse someone that is trying to write help, and
they end up getting this user?
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ajax
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response 76 of 95:
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Oct 19 14:10 UTC 1995 |
I can see the reason to keep Cc, but how about Jan's other suggestions,
using a 'more' filter on long messages, and not displaying the more
obscure lines of the message header? Also, how about the suggestion
of not removing Cc:, but changing it to something like Send Copies To:?
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remmers
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response 77 of 95:
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Oct 19 15:16 UTC 1995 |
Re #75: There's an account called "help", but it's not a regular
user account. It doesn't require a password, and is something that
people can type at the login: prompt to get information about the
system.
To further confuse the issue, if you send mail to "help", it
doesn't go to that account. Instead, "help" is also defined as
a mail alias such that mail to "help" is directed to staff.
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selena
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response 78 of 95:
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Oct 19 15:25 UTC 1995 |
Help!
Hey, you go and /dev/null "self", but have a brouhaha over
dead logins??
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sidhe
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response 79 of 95:
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Oct 19 21:07 UTC 1995 |
A good point. Where are the anti-login-restriction crowds now?
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steve
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response 80 of 95:
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Oct 20 02:12 UTC 1995 |
Restricting certain logins, which have the effect of causing
harm to the system are a matter of system security and have
been dealt with. There is no good reason to let people use
"operator" on Grex; that was used back in May of 1993 by a
person at udel.edu to attempt and spoof the operators there
(having had a DEC background) into doing some things in the
name of grex's staff.
So some ID's have been restricted, and quite reasonably so.
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lilmo
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response 81 of 95:
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Oct 20 02:37 UTC 1995 |
#76 of 80: by Rob Argy (ajax) on Thu, Oct 19, 1995 (10:10):
I can see the reason to keep Cc, but how about Jan's other suggestions,
using a 'more' filter on long messages, and not displaying the more
obscure lines of the message header? Also, how about the suggestion
of not removing Cc:, but changing it to something like Send Copies To:?
Hear, hear !!!!
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popcorn
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response 82 of 95:
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Oct 20 03:03 UTC 1995 |
Ditto to what Rob and lilmo said.
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remmers
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response 83 of 95:
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Oct 20 13:26 UTC 1995 |
Yep. The more filter and header line control are easy to
implement, I believe--just a matter of changing a global
configuration file. Changing "Cc" to a more informative
prompt is less easy but probably do-able--and I can't
think of a strong reason not to do it. (Only a minor one,
which I think we can ignore. I'll let people guess what
it might be. :)
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ajax
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response 84 of 95:
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Oct 20 15:14 UTC 1995 |
(People who use terminal macro scripts to send mail? Added bandwidth?)
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janc
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response 85 of 95:
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Oct 20 16:24 UTC 1995 |
Apparnatly Marcus has been working on a new version of the mail program
that (among other things) saves mail in depermitted files. I don't think
that version has been installed yet, but changing the prompt in it would
be trivial.
That, plus doing the other changes in the global configuratio file seems
like an acceptable compromise to me.
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wisdom
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response 86 of 95:
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Oct 20 18:41 UTC 1995 |
So, you guys care if it scams people on other systems (a login, I mean)
but you don't care that the people on your system get "scammed" by
seeing someone as someone else, when a dead login isn't retired?
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popcorn
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response 87 of 95:
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Oct 21 04:54 UTC 1995 |
Er, Debra, I think you're in the wrong item.
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janc
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response 88 of 95:
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Oct 21 05:07 UTC 1995 |
The people expressing those opinions over there and the people expressing
these opinions over here are not the same people. Grex staff is not a
monolith. Valerie's actions are not required to be consistant with Rane's
opinions. When there are big disagreements we usually talk them to death
until we start to find some sort of acceptable compromise (as seems to be
appearing in this item) or until the board votes on an action. Smaller
stuff is usually left to individual staff and board people to follow their
own good judgement on, and if the result isn't 100% consistant, who in
blazes cares? Consistancy is a hobgoblin of deadlocked organizations.
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adbarr
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response 89 of 95:
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Oct 21 11:47 UTC 1995 |
New phrase for posterity: The more consistency, the thicker the batter.
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selena
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response 90 of 95:
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Oct 22 09:56 UTC 1995 |
How thin a batter should we let ourselves have, though?
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no
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response 91 of 95:
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Oct 22 12:45 UTC 1995 |
I receive mail from newer users all the time.
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srw
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response 92 of 95:
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Oct 22 17:26 UTC 1995 |
We just got a test message sent to Cc: help in a language no one recognizes.
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scg
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response 93 of 95:
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Oct 22 18:11 UTC 1995 |
Then how do you know it was a test?
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steve
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response 94 of 95:
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Oct 22 18:17 UTC 1995 |
'Cause the message header said so.
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lilmo
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response 95 of 95:
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Oct 25 04:28 UTC 1995 |
How about that? Getting info about a mail message from the header... :-)
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