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davel
response 75 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 11:24 UTC 1995

Maybe throwing them was only semi-necessary?

Good summary, Steve.
popcorn
response 76 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 13:36 UTC 1995

(Re 72: Luckily, practically any restaurant in Ann Arbor has good vegetarian
options.  It's that kind of town.  I'm vegetarian, and when I travel I always
end up gaining in appreciation of Ann Arbor restaurants.)
selena
response 77 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 05:43 UTC 1995

        Really? I rarely have to eat there, when I 'm in town.
steve
response 78 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 15:17 UTC 1995

   (Try Raja Rani for excellent veggie food)

  Well, I'm not sure what I've stirred up here.  I certainly don't
want to formalize anything; it was just the thought that if I went
somewhere where other Grex folk would be before the meeting, I'd
stand a much better chance of getting there on time.
rcurl
response 79 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 18:44 UTC 1995

Why don't you announce in Announcements where you plan to eat on what
date and what time, and invite anyone that wants to to join you? No
need to mention the board meeting.. :).
selena
response 80 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 05:07 UTC 1995

        Yeah, a personal thing-like.
dpc
response 81 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 7 18:49 UTC 1995

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that Board members will regularly
be getting together for dinner just before a Board meeting.  There
is an unavoidable implication that Board members who don't show up
for dinner will be at a disadvantage.
        Is dinner so all-fired important that it has to foul up
the Board meeting?  Can't people socialize at times *other* than
before a Board meeting?
davel
response 82 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 02:52 UTC 1995

You don't know this board, personally I mean.  They have *no* problem
repeating what they've already said.

Honestly, I don't see this as a practical problem now.  I can't *imagine*
the implication you mention with the current board, given the fact that
they are in frequent email contact & more.  I admit that I have seen
organizations where this kind of thing was a real problem - everything
was decided outside the official meeting.
remmers
response 83 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 10:51 UTC 1995

(Actually, dpc does know a few board members personally.)
popcorn
response 84 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 13:29 UTC 1995

Re 82: Interestingly, when I was on the board of directors of the People's
Food Co-op, it was considered a Good Thing for all directors to come to the
meetings with their minds already made up on all issues.  The idea was that
if you'd done your homework, you already knew all the issues and knew how
you would vote on any given question.  If you were still deciding things when
you got to the meeting, instead of having decided outside, beforehand, then
you were being a poor director.

It was an interesting philosophy, but one I wouldn't like to see applied on
Grex.
danr
response 85 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 14:27 UTC 1995

I think it's a good idea to have done one's homework on the issues and
have formulated a position on them before coming to a board meeting.  I
also think, however, that you need to keep an open mind during the
board meeting to allow for things that you didn't think of.
lilmo
response 86 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 18:42 UTC 1995

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lilmo
response 87 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 18:50 UTC 1995

What danr said.

Also, popcorn, what was the point in having a mtg if everyone already knew
what they were going to vote?  :-)
davel
response 88 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 20:10 UTC 1995

They didn't know how everyone *else* would vote, obviously!
8-{)}
lilmo
response 89 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 20:22 UTC 1995

But they could just phone them in, or something.  *shrug*  sheesh, I get TOO
serious, sometimes...  *sigh*
steve
response 90 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 01:16 UTC 1995

   Dave (re #81): would you feel less uncomfortable with board types
meeting at some other time?
   I'm still trying to understand the concern.
rcurl
response 91 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 9 21:39 UTC 1995

I'm glad no one likes the Food Co-op practice! It sure showed that minds
were closed and unalterable. The *purpose* of a meeting is to consider as
wide a variety of opinions as possible, in order to pick the best
components of each, and create a most useful decision. 

Dave (re #81) stated what I had also stated earlier: having a six hour
meeting (meal plus formal meeting) instead of a 3 hour meeting (meeting)
not only takes more time, but also encourages the minority attending
the first half to discuss items about to come up, and making them less
patient in hearing and thinking about the subjects later. I've seen this
happen in other organizations.

However, if everyone attending the first half of the meeting sees to it
that no one discusses anything that will be discussed in the second,
official, half of the meeting (one just tells people that start talking
about something relevant to the board meeting that "we are going to
discuss that when everyone is here, so let's not discuss it now"), then
there would be no problem. 

sidhe
response 92 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 15:55 UTC 1995

        Indeed? Enforce that one. I dare you.
        Listen I have no real qualms about who eats where, or meets where,
prior to the meeting, so long as it wouldn't reflect badly on me for not
being at said meal, as I'd be coming from Southfield.
        BTW, how does one officially ask to be considered for a
spot on the ballot for Board of Directors? I _am_ interested.
rcurl
response 93 of 93: Mark Unseen   Oct 11 16:58 UTC 1995

Someone nominates you, or you ask someone to nominate you, or you
nominate yourself. 

Nominations are accepted up to 15 November. I think an item will be
started soon by the elections-master for nominations.

"Enforcement" is not the issue. If someone feels it is better to wait
a little while for everyone to be there before discussing a matter
coming before the board, then they should say so. The board itself
does this at board meetings - often postponing discussing items until
the board members expected to come arrive. It seems to me to be rather
similar if a pre-meeting meeting is occurring just minutes before.
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