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flem
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response 75 of 94:
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Apr 11 12:43 UTC 2002 |
Myself, I've always had a fondness for
spondaic meters. (Hope I spelled that right.)
And thanks for all the information on
enjambements. Most appreciative I am.
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md
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response 76 of 94:
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Apr 11 13:40 UTC 2002 |
Spondaic! That's what "Bus Stop" is. Thanks, flem.
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md
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response 77 of 94:
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Apr 11 13:43 UTC 2002 |
Nope, wrong again. Trochaic's what it is.
We experts often get a bit confused. ;-)
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brighn
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response 78 of 94:
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Apr 11 14:17 UTC 2002 |
While it may be true the phrase "Bus stop"
is not iambic, on its own, within
the song, I'd say it is (the stress is forced).
Another difference of opinion, yes?
(And you were right the first time: I'd say that
the words "Bus stop" alone are quite spondaic.
Re: seventy and three: I left out quite a bit.
The words "in part" were used. Ok, dumbass?
<off-thread, free rhythm>
Terms for foot stresses
Doubles
Iamb: w S
Trochee: S w
Spondee: S S
Pyrrhic: w w
Triples
Anapest: w w S
Dactyl: S w w
Amphibrach: w S w
There are five more triples for which I can't find any names. Perhaps someone
with more technical knowledge on this topic could provide them, if such exist.
They are, of course:
S S S
S S w
S w S
w S S
w w w
Line lengths are the standard prefixes (I always forget which set is Greek
and which is Latin): monometer (one foot/beat), dimeter, trimeter, tetrameter,
pentameter, hexameter, heptameter, octameter, nonameter...
Another technical question: Would a spondee foot count as monometer (one foot)
or dimeter (two beats)? If dimeter, what about a pyrrhic foot?
</off-thread>
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flem
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response 79 of 94:
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Apr 11 14:34 UTC 2002 |
And then, of course, there's William Carlos Williams'
"variable foot", which he insists
is not at all like "free verse". Some agree,
though I reserve the right to have some doubts.
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brighn
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response 80 of 94:
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Apr 11 15:41 UTC 2002 |
don't know enough about his work to comment
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remmers
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response 81 of 94:
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Apr 11 19:30 UTC 2002 |
Self-consciousness persists; I say phooey.
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oval
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response 82 of 94:
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Apr 11 19:41 UTC 2002 |
yea, phooey phooey phooey phooey phoo.
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brighn
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response 83 of 94:
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Apr 11 20:35 UTC 2002 |
Post eighty-one persists what it disdains. ;}
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jaklumen
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response 84 of 94:
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Apr 11 22:11 UTC 2002 |
this all infuses science into the art =P
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md
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response 85 of 94:
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Apr 11 23:13 UTC 2002 |
No art without reality, no science
Without imagination. -- V. Nabokov
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brighn
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response 86 of 94:
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Apr 12 03:28 UTC 2002 |
(Is that the guy who wrote the kiddie porn?)
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md
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response 87 of 94:
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Apr 12 12:28 UTC 2002 |
His books are full of prepubescent girls
and young teenagers who torment the male
protagonists simply by being there.
Some of the passages about these "nymphets"
read like the fantasies of pedophiles,
but pedophiles eaten by guilt and shame.
Thus in an early novel called "The Enchanter"
the girl is lying naked in her bed
while "The Enchanter" of the title waves
his "magic wand" over her sleeping form,
but just as he begins to have his orgasm
she wakes up and starts screaming bloody murder:
he runs in horror from the room, and gets
run over by a steetcar passing by --
torn hideously to shreds while still alive,
in fact. It doesn't take a Sigmund Freud
to see in scenes like these Nabokov's way
of crushing his own pedophile desires
under a forevision so horrible
they never could escape into his life.
Nabokov's students from his teaching days
in Wellsley, Mass., and Ithaca, N.Y.,
contend that he was charmed by college girls,
but never showed the slightest interest
in prepubescent girls like his Lolita --
in fact, he was devoted to his wife,
a woman his own age who loved him too.
That well may be the boring truth. Who knows?
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brighn
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response 88 of 94:
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Apr 12 14:27 UTC 2002 |
Truth and fantasy are different things.
He may have had desires which he suppressed...
thoughts of little girls in ponytails
bouncing on his lap in shortened skirts.
The Reverend Dodgson's said to have a taste
for hanging out with little girls as well:
His own expression's said to be through film
and writing stories for his fav'rite lass.
Though from your post it sounds as if his urge
was not as strong as Nabokov's, because
he could be trusted (so it seems), at least
he thought that he could trust himself. Perhaps
the yens of Nabokov were strong enough
that he avoided contact altogether.
A moral move, at least: To tell the tales
as fiction, thus to keep them out of fact.
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gelinas
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response 89 of 94:
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May 18 08:44 UTC 2002 |
the foot is easy the meter is not
and keeping sense within is even less.
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oval
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response 90 of 94:
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May 18 08:49 UTC 2002 |
i totally forgot about this thread.
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keesan
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response 91 of 94:
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May 18 12:32 UTC 2002 |
The foot is easy but the meter's not
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md
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response 92 of 94:
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May 18 18:03 UTC 2002 |
Some of the most familiar English sayings
are written in pentameter, to wit:
Too err is human, to forgive divine.
A little learning is a dangerous thing.
For fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
Hope springs eternal in the human breast.
The proper study of mankind is man.
Seems, madam! Nay, it is. I know not "seems."
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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orinoco
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response 93 of 94:
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May 19 01:35 UTC 2002 |
If you intend to prove pentameter
is the "most natural form of English speech"
(as people often like to claim it is),
then your examples are not very apt,
for, after all, most of those sayings are
quotations from verse plays or poetry:
of _course_ they're in pentameter -- they were
intentionally written in that scheme.
If, on the other hand, you simply mean
to demonstrate how much more memorable
a line in good pentameter can be
than one that's written in another meter
or one that's without meter, then I don't
have any problem with the lines you quote.
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remmers
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response 94 of 94:
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May 19 10:44 UTC 2002 |
There are great lines as well in other meters,
but of course I cannot quote them here.
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