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brighn
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response 75 of 89:
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Jun 5 03:56 UTC 2002 |
#64> You know, I looked at that three times and ultimately decided that "long"
was spelled correctly. Duh. I obviously meant "long run."
#70> I thought we were already doing that. There are some theories, and some
medication and treatment, already. Most of my pedophiliac tendencies are
probably linked to poor psychosexual development, feeling of isolation in my
prepubescence, and a difficulty distinguishing between love, intimacy, and
sexual gratification, perhaps tied to my older brother's sexual
experimentation with me during my parent's divorce. But that's just off the
top of my head. I've never considered the priesthood, though. ;}
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brighn
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response 76 of 89:
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Jun 5 03:57 UTC 2002 |
#74> Look at the history books. The Church has had a problem with corrupt,
criminal, and perferse priests since the Church has had priests.
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russ
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response 77 of 89:
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Jun 5 12:17 UTC 2002 |
Re #67: You wouldn't criticize Mother Theresa for taking painkillers
and other things that she denied to patients in her own "hospitals"?
You don't think that the poor have the right not to suffer for no reason?
Her lack of sympathy was astounding. I recall a transcript of an
interaction between Mother Theresa and a "patient" dying in one of
her hospitals which went something like this (from memory):
Patient, in obvious pain: "It hurts, it hurts!"
Mother Theresa: "That's Jesus kissing you."
Patient: "Make him stop!"
Mother Theresa: "Why would you want him to?"
As I said, if it's even half accurate...
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jmsaul
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response 78 of 89:
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Jun 5 13:17 UTC 2002 |
Do you have a reference for the claim that she denied patients painkillers,
as opposed to her organization not being able to afford them?
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vmskid
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response 79 of 89:
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Jun 5 14:56 UTC 2002 |
Whether or not they could afford it, the above was hardly a decent response
to someone in pain.
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edina
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response 80 of 89:
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Jun 5 15:03 UTC 2002 |
No kidding.
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jmsaul
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response 81 of 89:
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Jun 5 15:50 UTC 2002 |
I agree. I just want to find out if it's documented and systematic before
I go nuts over it.
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jep
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response 82 of 89:
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Jun 5 18:02 UTC 2002 |
I'd also want to know more about the context. It doesn't look like the
sort of thing I'd say to someone dying, in pain, for sure.
I'd want to know more about the painkillers thing. Of course I think
the poor (or anyone else) shouldn't have to suffer for no reason. Was
it for no reason?
re #74: If any organization with the same circumstances would be held
responsible, then the Catholic Church should, too, to the same degree.
The Church should hold itself to a higher standard than "what can we
get away with?" but the government should view it exactly as it would
any other organization. That's what separation of church and state is
all about.
I was thinking I was seeing some anti-Church sentiments in this item,
as in "Great, here's our chance to get those scurvy Catholic dogs".
That bothered me more than a little bit.
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void
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response 83 of 89:
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Jun 5 20:10 UTC 2002 |
Look...if Mother Teresa's organization took in $50 million from the US
alone in a single year, they'd be able to afford a couple bottles of
Tylenol. I also remember hearing that the thieving Albanian dwarf would
refuse any kind of treatment to those who would not convert.
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jmsaul
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response 84 of 89:
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Jun 5 21:15 UTC 2002 |
Re #82: Any organization would. Most, with this track record, would wind
up folding. The Church will probably get away with more than a
secular organization could.
Re #83: Do you have references on this? I'm genuinely interested.
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void
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response 85 of 89:
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Jun 5 21:40 UTC 2002 |
re #84: The $50 million figure is from Hitchens' book. At the moment, I
can't seem to find a reference about her refusing the treat the
nonconverted. Not that what she did could really be called treatment,
anyway.
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bru
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response 86 of 89:
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Jun 6 01:49 UTC 2002 |
even if the statement is true, just because she made it doesn't mean she meant
it. haven't you ever said anything you wished you could take back?
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jmsaul
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response 87 of 89:
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Jun 6 02:09 UTC 2002 |
If she made the statements often, I could assume she meant it.
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russ
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response 88 of 89:
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Jun 6 11:55 UTC 2002 |
Re #78: If I recall correctly, that was published in an issue of
_The Skeptical Inquirer_. The full article may be available on-line.
If I have a chance, I'll look.
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vmskid
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response 89 of 89:
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Jun 6 19:59 UTC 2002 |
I think Chris Hitchens wrote a book about her exposing her. I have a copy but
havent got round to reading it yet.
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